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History of Canning Town East London

Like large parts of the East End, Canning Town once had a strong industrial heritage, but the area was originally marshland. As such, for many centuries, the only way to reach Canning Town was to boat or by paying to use a toll bridge. The area opened up in the early 19th century when the Barking Road was built.

This brought with it a larger bridge and more opportunities for connections with the rest of East London.

Before the reign of Queen Victoria, Canning Town had no real significance and it did not even get its name until the Victorian period. It is probably named after Charles Canning. He was a relatively famous and popular character at the time as he had successfully managed the Indian Mutiny in his role as Viceroy of India. Once the area started to be developed, however, it turned into a busy industrial and commercial hub.

Visit Canning Town in East London.

For example, in 1846, the North London train line brought higher levels of industrialisation to this area of the East End. Originally built to transport supplies from the local docks, the opening of the Barking Road passenger station, together with more housing construction, attracted more workers to the area’s chemical, shipbuilding and sugar refining factories. The football team that started in the local ironworks famously went on to become West Ham FC.

By 1855, Canning Town also had a new dock, the Royal Victoria Dock. However, the local water supply and sewage system was not designed to cope with the increasing number of local residents and businesses, and Canning Town became infamous for its slum living conditions, high poverty levels and outbreaks of smallpox and cholera due to its inadequate sanitary conditions.

History of Canning Town’s New Docks

London Docklands and Canary Wharf
London Docklands and Canary Wharf

The increased docklands and shipping activities brought in a new influx of local and overseas workers who needed housing, including a significant community of West African, Caribbean and Asian immigrants. At one point, Canning Town was home to the largest black community in London with over 100 families living in the area.

Many of the capital’s more dangerous industries were historically located in the East End, safely out of the way of the city of London and its more upmarket central areas. Charles Dickens described some of these industries as “offensive”.

This probably relates to the smells they created, as local businesses worked in gut spinning, varnish production and oil boiling at the time. Operating outside of the regulations of the city itself also made it easier for businesses to ignore housing and business regulations, sometimes leading to accidents.

Canning Town was no exception to this rule and the area was affected by a significant accidental explosion at an ammunition factory in nearby Silvertown. Although this accident resulted in a relatively low loss of life, it damaged tens of thousands of local buildings around the East End.

Housing in Canning Town

By the 1930s, housing conditions in Canning Town were so dire that the local council started a program to clear the slums and to provide better social conditions for local residents. Many slum properties were torn down, and new houses, nurseries, medical clinics and even a lido opened in the area.

The Second World War also badly affected the area and led to further redevelopment initiatives after the war. Much of the East End was a prime target for German bombers and it is estimated that over 85% of local housing stock was destroyed.

redevelopment initiatives after the war. Much of the East End was a prime target for German bombers and it is estimated that over 85% of local housing stock was destroyed.

Canning Town was also the scene of one of the worst bombing events in the war, although a government cover up at the time hid the full extent of the incident. In September 1940, local residents were sheltering in the basement of South Hallsville School during an air raid. They were staying in the school because they had been evacuated from their homes.

The school suffered from a direct hit burying all of the sheltering locals under piles of rubble. Reports at the time indicated that around 70 people died in the incident, but it is now believed that close to 600 people died on the site making this the worst civilian casualty rate in a bombing raid during the war.

Modern History: Canning Town Redevelopment

Due to redevelopment programs and damage sustained in the war, much of the housing in and around Canning Town is relatively modern; most rebuilding took the form of new council estates, including a number of high-rise tower blocks, which were popular at the time.

One high-rise block became well-known in the 1960s for all the wrong reasons when a gas explosion caused an entire corner of the block to collapse. It and its surrounding high-rises were demolished to make way for safer, and smaller, houses and the lessons learned from this accident changed the way that high-rises were built. Canning Town still remains a relatively deprived area and is undergoing continuing redevelopment.

507 thoughts on “History of Canning Town East London”

  1. I am trying to trace my late fathers family. I believe he was born in the Canning Town area in Aug 1924, I believe he was born William Arthur Wallis but at some point became William Arthur Maslen and lived in Lewisham. Does this ring any bells with anyone? Thanks for any information

  2. Hi I’m new to this site and may be able to give information about Malmesbury Road, Canning Town from the early 1900’s to about 1930’s. My Grandfather Leonard Stroud lived at 56 Malmesbury Road. He fortunately wrote down all his childhood memories! He mentions names of nearby shops and who were in them. Names of neighbours and a whole lot more. I have a few photos of the area from around that time.

    1. Hi Anthony. I was looking through some old papers today and my grandparents lived at number 58. They were the Down family. I wonder if they are mentioned.?
      Kind regards

      1. Antony Springate

        Hi Jennifer,
        Sorry don’t recognise the surname. Do you have any first names?
        Our house was on the same side as the debris and about 10 houses up towards Star Lane. I do remember some surnames; House, Human, Mills and Whitmore.
        All the best,

      2. Hi Jennifer,
        I’ve had a look through his text and unfortunately there is no mention of your family. What I can do is tell you some of the information that may help to visualise the area in his words. This I’m guessing would be from about 1915 onwards as he was born in 1909. He was asked to describe Malmesbury Road. ‘ It was a fairly straight Road with a slight bend at the beginning, this lead to a big playing field with a fence around it. The road was cobblestoned. On the corner of Avondale Road was a bakers ( Wolseys). There was a sweet shop called Maynes on the corner of Clarence Road and a dairy called Thomas’s. There was also a Greengrocers called Savages. At the back of the house was a Railway where the steam trains used to go, between the railway and the houses was a 6 foot wide ditch and you’d always see loads of rats! A Mrs Weller lived about 8 doors up and I used to run errands for her and eventually ended up being a lodger there. My father Elias Stroud was a Stevedore on the docks and liked his drink too much, he was a tough character and was quite intimidating to the area. One example was he tripped over someone’s bin out the front and did no more than pick it up and throw it back through their window shouting ‘take the bloody thing in’!
        He went to Star Lane school and Hermit Road play centre. At the end of the road was ‘ Peggy Leggy steps’ with a lamp and an archway this was the start of ‘our’ territory from other gangs in the area. Street fights were quite common. He said that, Malmesbury Road were fairly respectable, Clarence Road were a bit dodgy, Percy Road and Liverpool Road were a toffee nosed lot, Clifton, Baron and Ordinance Roads were right ruffians. There was an old ship’s Captain that lived opposite called Moody who used to sell Sarsaparilla down Rathbone Street. Lastly, he used to go to Cumberland Road School to get the ‘slips’ from the R O ( relieving office) in order to get food. I’m wondering id this is something like the ration books from later on during WW2?
        Hope that was of some use? He does mention other things at the time such as horse drawn sellers that used to ply their wares, gas lamp wardens etc.
        All the best.

        1. Hi Anthony, I would dearly love to read more of your Grandfather’s memoirs. I have been studying the area in-depth for some years now. My uncle has written his memoirs too but he was born a bit later in 1929. My family paternal family (Fitzgerald & Sawyers) come from Old Canning Town (Tucker Street, Star Lane and surrounding areas). My maternal family are O’Shea/Shea from Poplar (1830).

          1. Hi Julie, there is rather a lot of information. Rather than me typing it all out on here is there a preferred way of getting it to you/ All the best. Tony.

      3. I remember the Down family they lived upstairs in 58 Malmesbury Rd. They had two sons if I remember rightly one was called Reg the other one was Bill.Mrs Downs brother lived downstairs. Bob Edmonds with his wife Edith they had four children Derrick. Robert. Grace and Jean (twins) they were my friend I was always in 58 we grew up together Grace and Jean emergrated to Canada when they grew up.I used to live in Clarence Rd when I got married I lived in Malmesbuy until it was demolished in the seventys .
        My name is Helen..

    2. My mum, Ada Helena Iris Reynolds as she then was(became Mrs Mellish in 1937) taught at Malmesbury Road School in the late twenties and thirties. She was evacuated to taunton (not sure if it was with the school) in September 1939. She returned to London but was caught in one of the raids,South Hallsville School disaster I believe. She survived but had both legs badly broken in multiple places.

    3. hi my grandfather family all lived in Canning does it mention anybody with the surname Cherry.
      regards Lee

  3. Hi all. Im looking into my family history. Does anyone remember the Doyles, Kings, Staffords or Fitzgeralds? Lived there since late 1800s until WW2

      1. Hi June! Lovely to see your reply. My relatives lived on Watford Road, Leslie Road and Liverpool Road between 1901-1940. In tracing their ancestors I have found that they were merchant seamen by trade. Does that ring any bells for you? All the best

  4. Hi all,
    My Grandparents are Sidney and Esther Graham, My granddad (97) sadly passed away in 2017 & My nan (98) sadly passed away 2020.
    I have heard so many stories and they’ve shared a lot of history with me.. Although now they’ve passed I wished I had sat and listened for longer, I was researching for my university course when I stumbled across this page and I’ve gotten a little carried away with reading everything and It got me thinking If anyone remembers my grandparents and/or family?
    My dad is the youngest of his siblings – Henry (also known as Harry).
    My Nan’s surname was Rampley and they owned fruit and veg stalls
    My Grandfather was a Seamen, In the merchant navy..with family from Barbados once he left the merchant navy he worked on the docks – My granddad also had an allotment
    They lived and raised their family on Kerry Close, Custom House where my Nan continued to live until she passed

    I would love to hear if anyone knows or remembers them and if not thank you for still taking the time to read my post.

  5. Does anybody remember the Semon family who lived at number 7 Malmesbury Road, Canning Town in the 1930s. the family were my Grandparents Amelia and Frederick, they had a daughter also Amelia and a son Eddie, they also had Triplets which was a rare thing back then they were born in January 1932 Mary, Margaret and Frances with Margaret being my mother. If anyone has any information regarding any members of the family I would love to hear from you.

  6. been looking into my family and the Chapmans lived at 73 Malmsbury Road around 1905 onwards, they had a daughter Hettie. i think they might have been form germany originally, the mothers name was Kate or Catherine. would be great if anyone has photos to share. My mum was born 1930’s and went to Starlane primary and was born victoria dock road

    1. Hello Lee, my mum was a chapman from Mary Street & then Appleby Rd, daughter of Bill & Eileen. Maybe a relation? Mum died in September
      & don’t k one of any relatives on her side. Maybe there’s a link we don’t know about?

      1. hello Jacqui, sorry only just seen your reply, like you i know nothing about the Chapmans just found out that they were on my mothers side of the family, does the surname Scanlan ring any bells

    2. Hi Lee
      My grandparents were Henry and Catherine Chapman malmsbury road
      Hettie was my aunt my mum Winifred’s sister
      Hettie’s first husband was Dan Scanlan, their daughter Norma is still alive aged 86
      I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw your message only looking at this website by chance

    3. Margaret Bromley

      I lived at 73 Malmesbury Road from when I was born in 1947 until I got married in 1968. My parents Ernie and Sadie Dobinson lived there until around 1975 when the houses were to be pulled down. We lived upstairs and my Aunt Emmie my dads sister lived downstairs with her husband Jim and her daughter Sylvia, their name was Puxley. I went to Star Lane Primary School as did my father.
      Margaret Bromley nee Dobinson

      1. Margaret I am Jean Newcombe, nee skull, I have been trying to get hold of you for ages. Your nephew I emailed trying to get details of how to contact you, he said you were on Facebook along with your daughter. I have emailed both of you but sadly no reply. Probably went to your junkmail. I have tried on this site but no replies. Do you know how I can contact you. Kind regards Jean X

      2. Hi Margaret, I feel I should know you. I to was born in 1947 at home at 25 Malmesbury Rd. I went to Star Lane infants & senior, then to Pretoria which is now Eastleigh. My parents were Mary & Bill Burns, & we moved to no 80 Malmesbury around 1955. Then moved to Custom House when I was 15. My school friend in Star Lane was Maxine Climpson & Jeanie Morgan, also lived in same road. I’ve lived in Kent since 1976 when I married Best wishes Christine

    4. Hi Lee scanlon
      I have replied before but not seen a reply from you
      Re chapman wenhold opper
      Seen several different posts so know we are probably related
      Please reply

  7. Hello I am looking for anyone who knew the Turner family, William and Bridget nee Butler, I think they lived on Woodstock street , children called bid, Tommy, Sylvia, Margret ,
    I’m searching my family tree so any info would be great

    1. Hello Stephen,
      I’ve only just read your message. Now this is very coincidental. I remember my nan mentioning living in Malmesbury Rd & Bidder St. She was Eileen Turner (née Priestaff born 1913) whose mother’s maiden name was Butler. My nan married James Turner in 1939. I’m a bit new to family research but if any of this rings bells with anyone, I’d love to hear!!!
      Best regards – Lisa

  8. I was born on 45 Carson road Canning town , lots of very fond memories laying the usual street games.
    My mothers name was Emily and fathers name Jim ,we lived opposite Hopkins sweet shop.
    Would love to know what happened to the families that lived around us .
    Thanks Terry

    1. Hi Bill
      Thanks for responding so fast,how are you doing its been such a long time.
      I can remember the Thompson, Burks,Rusbeas ,I can still remember us tying a rope
      around the lamp post outside Hopkins and making a swing .
      I found some pictures of us all sitting at tables in the street eating on Coronation day..
      Tell me if you ever see any of the old crowd .
      Regards Terry

      1. Hello Terry. I never see any of the neighbours. When I got married I moved to Essex and then I moved to a little village in Kent 23 years ago. I still remember the times when we had the bonfires on the debris next to the prefabs. I also fondly remember my time at. Fairbain. Making sure we kept away from the warden.

        1. HI Bill.
          I used to go to Fairbain hall , loved playing snooker up stairs, but i agree with you. You had to keep your whits about you
          with regards to some of the people there.
          I also moved to Essex,
          Regards Terry

    2. Hi I lived at 115 Carson road and went to Ravenscroft School we lived next door to the FriutShop near the PostOffice and Goddens sweet shop . We moved out in 1968 . My Dad had a fruit stall at Rathbone street market . I was Sandra Mears

      1. Doreen Collins

        Hi Sandra I’m your Cousin Doreen , I live inSouthampton , lost my dear mum last September 2020 . I used to live in 115 Carson rd , with our great Grandmother nanny white . And great uncle Henry . Moved out when I was nine .lost touch with your mum I tried to ring but think the phone number was an old one .

      2. Hi Sandra
        The people who owned the shop next to you were related to me, a lot of my family were had stalls in Rathbone street .
        Do you remember lemon ices that Goddens used to sell ,

        1. Janice brown josch

          Interesting to read this
          By chance did you know the Hughes family, or Edie Hughes who had a veg stall at Rathbone Market
          Lived in Ravenscroft Road
          If you knew them I would love to read your memories

          1. HI Janice.
            The people who owned the shop , there name was Laurie they also had other shops sell .veg.
            Also if I remember a florist on Hermit Road.
            A family named Jolly also had a fruit and veg , but they were located on Hermit road .
            There was another relative I who was called Brumey.
            This time frame is around the mid to late sixties .
            I used to love watching the biscuit man called Wiseman selling his fruit cakes .

            I hope this sparks some memories .

          2. HI Janice.
            I am sorry after reading my reply to you,I realised I had not answered your question .
            I do remember a family on Ravenscroft that were in the trade , but I never had a chance
            to talk to them .


  9. Hi Everyone, came across this website by accident and was reading some of the wonderful comments of the history of the area. I am looking to connect and possibly record by phone or video (remotely of course at this time) anyone that might have worked in the Whitefield’s Chocolate Factory in Plaistow or that know much more about the history of the building.

    Much appreciate any help. Regards, John

      1. Sorry just seeing these comments now! That’s wonderful Bill – any chance of being able to speak to her on the phone or via video? Would be wonderful to hear about her experiences of working here at that time. Do drop me an email

    1. Hi , my uncle worked at whitefields about 1957/8 we lived in Canning Town would love to hear from anyone who has more info from that time

    2. Margaret Simons (nee Nicholson)

      Hi John,
      Yes my mum, her sister Eileen and my gran, plus great aunt all worked in whitefields chocolate factory in the 1950’s. We lived in Custom House at the time, remember it fondly, waiting with my brother outside the gates for mum to come out after her shift, usually with a bag of sweets for us.
      Margaret S

      1. Hi Margaret simons. My aunt worked at white fields around the early fifties till the sixties. Her name was Kate. We lived in new city road. I also remember getting my nana eels from Ruth one street and having a glass of sarsparila.

      2. Hi Margaret – wow sounds like a lot of family that worked in the factory! And wonderful memory – thanks for sharing. Be great to be able to talk to any of them about their experiences if possible? John

      1. Hi Terry – wonderful comment! Let me know if it’s possible to speak to your Mum at all. Thanks for the links – the underground Map one is interesting. Can’t seem to access that Newham photos one – they might have changed it perhaps. John

  10. Hello everyone ! i am writing this as i have had a read through the comments , and i have seen a comment from a lady in regards to finding family members from the taylor , smith family . she also mentioned about them being of italian descents and travellers , i believe that its a possibilities we are related .hope you see this ! many thanks Ellee

  11. Terri Caylor (nee Judge)

    Does anyone out there have a photograph of Ashburton Secondary on Freemasons Road, not the newer extension the original old Victorian building. I was there in the early 70’s and I would love a photo of it. I loved that school.

    if anyone was at that school during the early 70’s it would be good to catch up.

    1. No photos, sorry, but my brother was there from around 1950 to 1955 or so and the school had a really bad reputation. I think the headmaster’s name during those years was Mr Scnapper.

    2. Hi all just thinking of the old days and I went starlane school early 70s and lived in the masonette opposite the grass andcremeber the head teacher telling stories in hall I remember a Mr Schofield with a beard? Then went to rossetta and the street party for westham in 75 and jubilee in 77 and westham again in 80 (stil waiting for the next one) then after a stint in Woolwich went to Woodside comprehensive before they knocked it down 79_84 and up to a couple of years ago I worked 10 years with Kevin at community links so was good to be back in East London but it has changed even did a stint managing rathbone market and remember be in the post office when our dog run away and the squirrel monkey jumping in me pram going around the old maker. 52 now where did that go?

    3. There have recently been photos of the old Ashburton and Shipman rd schools on facebook – either Growing up in the East End or I’m from Custom House not Canning Town – can’t remember which
      one. Both are interesting groups.

    1. Jean Galsworthy

      We’re they Ivy and Alf? Their children were Alfie, June, Tommy and David I think. If these are the people, Ivy was my mum’s sister, so they were my uncle and aunt. We also lived in the house until we moved to Bristol in the early 1950’s.

        1. I’m so sorry it’s taken so long to get back to you. Family illness took priority.
          Are you Angela and Alfie’s daughter? I lost touch with them when I moved. My address book disappeared in all the chaos.
          We did indeed share the same house. We moved in to just outside of Bristol in 1951 or 52.
          We do have photos but my brother has them in his loft. Unfortunately, I won’t be able to ask him about them at the moment as his wife is having chemotherapy so he’s running backwards and forwards to the hospital with her. I remember photos of Tom and June. She also sent some from the USA of her gorgeous children.
          How are you all?

      1. IRENE Noon need Hayden

        Hi Margaret we were at school together Irene Hayden .. I’m in contact with Alan White and his Wife Jackis do you remember her also x

        1. I went to Clarkson St School in the 1950s. There are only a few names that I remember – Rita Charles and Esther Bailey who were both in my class when Mr Molliver was the teacher, and Lillian Formhall and Marie Moon who were in a year below me. Does anyone remember these girls?

          1. My Grandfather (1876-1953) went to Clakson Street School. His mother would take him to one gate and when she left he would nip out of another gate to play truant. it got so bad that he was sent off to Norfolk as a punishment. He liked it there because they gave him a lot of pudding as a starter to the evening meal. His father was less pleased, “they give you that so you won’t want meat in the main meal”, he apparently moaned.

      2. Hi Margaret, Was just looking at this site and saw your name. Did you live upstairs at 73, downstairs was my Uncle Jim, Aunt Emmy and Sylvia their daughter? I lived at 71 Malmesbury Road, My name is Jean, maiden name Skull. Would be nice to catch up.

        1. Hello Jean, I remember you well and your sister Margaret, yes I lived upstairs at 73, Aunt Emmy was my dad Ernies sister. We used to play and walk to school together. Your dad used to take us swimming every a Sunday, you was a great swimmer I never did learn even though you dad tried to teach me. Where do you live now? How wonderful to hear from you.

        2. Greetings from South Australia to all my former neighbours who lived in the best street “Malmesbury” road, my name is William Leach I was born at home in N013 one of those semi round prefabs in the freezing January of 1946, my sister Irene, Mother Kitty Father William, I attended Star Lane school great school full of memories and my classmates sadly loss touch since 1974, I am trying to put together a memoir for my Australian born Grandchildren, Its wonderful to come across this website with all the interesting comments and shared memories which I would change for all the tea in China, Bonfire night we always had the biggest on the bomb site opposite, playing games in the street until it got dark, Fish and Chips in Star lane next to the Anchor, seasons for activities, no computers, no TV, no mobile telephones, but we were happy band of neighbours. Hope to hear from who ever reads this short comments, and most of all take and be safe. Best Regards William.

          1. Antony Springate

            Hi William,
            I remember the bonfire on the debris on Guy Fawkes night, it was huge. Fire Brigade was always called out and neighbours rowed with them to stop them putting it out.
            Also remember playing on the flatbed lorries parked up on the same debris.
            My family lived on the upstairs of 81 Malmesbury Road.
            We moved to Malmesbury Road around 1957 and we moved during 1968 when I was 12.
            Stay Well and Safe,

      3. My Mums maiden name was Dobinson too. She is from Upton Park.. any relation? Her Sisters name is Carol x

      4. Margaret , nee Dobinson, I lived next door to you, Jean, (Skull), number 71, with my sister Margaret and parents, Ivy and Fred. Would love to hear from you. Regards Jean

        1. Margaret Bromley

          Hi Jean
          I did reply to you on a post you had put on last year , probably did it wrong I hope you get this one. I remember you and your family well, you were a big part of my childhood. Would love to catch up.kind regards Margaret

          1. Hi Margaret, would love to catch up to hear your news. Perhaps you could email your email address Jean

        2. Hi, was your mum called ivy tree? Searching on here for my Nan who is interested in finding an ivy tree ( brothers George and Terrance tree) who stayed with them as children during the war in Devon

  12. michael faulkner

    hi robert malyon, of 4 clarence road, this is mike faulkner of 124 malmesbury road, how are you? and your brother keith, born in ’46,and now living in spain for the last 18 years, be nice to hear from you, i could sell you a coat!!

      1. OMG, I was just searching for info about the road I used to live on (Radland Road) and came across this feed. Gelderbloem is such an unusual name, you must be related to the Gelderbloems who lived on our road. They were related to the Lampards Frank senior used to have a dry cleaners on Barking road!!!

        1. I lived in a half round pre-fab in what was then Portland Road, H1, the H was for Hut. After a while the street was re-named Radland Road. We left there in 1949 to go to a new flat in Killip Close, a few hundred yards away. An Aunt, Rosie Kavanagh, lived in a house further down the street.

          We saw Saint Luke’s school being built almost opposite and the builders used to knock on the door to ask if they could borrow our dog, Rex, to catch rats as they opened up new areas.

          I also knew Frank Lampard Senior. He used to visit the family in the opposite flat, the Huckfields, and bring Frankie and his sister Gwen into our flat. We gave them a sweet but I’m still waiting for tickets to West Ham or Chelsea in return.

          1. Don’t hold your breath! I went to school with him at Ashburton, till WH had him away! I used to live on the same side of the road as you the other end opposite Hallsville Juniors, where they would have a Bonfire firework night. BBC done a film of the Bombing of Hallsville, some faces I’m sure you would recognise.
            Bombing of Hallsville School Canning Town West Ham 1940

    1. Hi
      I think I must have lived next door to you. We were upstairs at 122 malsbury road in the late sixties early seventies. I also went to Starlane primary school.
      Does anyone remember me or my mother. Mums was known as Nancy Doyle. I’m shirley.
      Loved reading these posts. Brought me back to my childhood.

      1. Hi Shirley. My great grandparents were Doyles. William and Dora but were best known as Bill and Bess. He had siblings Carrie, John, Maud, Len and George. He worked at Tate and Lyle until retirement in the 70s. As a boy he lived at 145 Star Lane and she was 24 Leslie Road, Custom House. Would be lovely to see if we have a connection

  13. Hi all I was born in forest gate and moved to 27 Murray square n I was young I had two sisters tina and Debbie and a brother Jimmy my mum and dads names were Jim and pat mason we moved to Kent in 1969 so if there is anyone who lived in Murray square before 1969 I would love to hear from you xxx

    1. Hi Toni, My family moved from Forest Gate to 76 Murray Square around 1950 /51. I moved out to Walthamstow when I got married in 1962. I now live in Victoria (Mornington Peninsula). I’m afraid I don’t recall your name butthen I think 27 was on the far side of the square to us. The names I do remember are the Pooleys, the Cotters, the Browns, the Proberts, The Davies and the Bichenoes. Do any of those ring any bells? Another family were the Ropers.Given time I may remember a few more.

    2. Hi Toni I’m not sure if any of my mates families were residing at Murray sq back in 71 but definitely by mid to late 70,S Tony mark & Alan Lloyd , the Warner’s , the ringwoods , the harts but we were teenagers in early 1980,S

      1. Hi Barbara; I was born in June 1954 and we lived in Katherine Road, Forest Gate. My Mum is Olive, (92 now!) and my Dad was Thomas (Tom). I went to a nursery school, (St Stephen’s?) and remember the Trebor factory and the Duke of Fyffe pub. Mum worked as a machinist at what was known as the sack factory. Dad left and Mum remarried around 1959/60 and we moved to Essex. Just wondered if any of this was familiar to you?

  14. Jeanette leyland

    The memories I was born at St Marys in 1950 and lived at Ayres Close went to school at curwen and Burke left in 1964 to emigrate to New Zealand but came back home to England my mum worked at mudies pie mash along the abbey arms my godmother lived in Malmesbury Road the memories are wonderful had a great childhood.

    1. Who can forget Mudie’s pie and mash shop at the Abbey Arms? Great days. Think it was around 2/6d for double pie and double mash (with liquer). And a small supermarket next door called Paske Farr – always remember quite a large woman with dark hair and red cheeks who worked in there. All that seemed to go when I left my teenage years, but lovely memories.

      Also of West Ham Speedway, down at Custom House. Every Tuesday at 7.45 then a walk home down the old Beckton Rd and just in time to pick up 6d worth of chips from Sid’s fish shop at the corner of Whitwell Rd and Falcon St.

      Happy Days!

      1. I remember both well!! We used to get one of the Coaches laid on at Plaistow Station to the Speedway. Back then, Bjorn Knuttsen was the West Ham hero, supported by Svere Hartfeld, Alf Hagon, Reg Luckhurst, Dave Wills and others whos names i cant remember. It was a good night out!
        Mudies was the alternative to school dinners at South West Ham Tech and me and my mates were regulars. I hope you weren’t one of the folk that got caught out by the loosening of the Vinegar, Pepper and Salt bottle tops. We had many a laugh standing outside watching some poor sod empty the entire contents of the vinegar bottle all over his double pie and mash. I still cringe when I think of some of the stuff we used to get up to but they were different times; no one got stabbed and the only shooting I remember was Ronnie Kray killing George Cornell in the Blind Beggar.

  15. Hi, this an hopeful long-shot question for old-timers on this page…

    …does anyone remember a fire-station at (maybe @ 138) Freemasons Road on or near the corner of Sophia Road? I have it shown on a 1935 OS map but it had disappeared by 1963 (Bartholemews Reference Atlas of Greater London). I’m trying to trace any details of it for a former LFB colleague of mine.

    Thanks in anticipation. Ray Watkinson

  16. Hi there I was born and raised in Desford Road, Canning Town, until my family moved to Australia in 1971. Reading the comments here has made so many memories come flooding back, the ice creams, sarsaparilla at Rathbone markets, buying sweeties from Mr Nolan, buying chips in newspaper on the way home from Brownies, StarLane Infant school, singing All Things Bright and Beautiful. My maiden name is Stafford, my nan lived in Desford Road also, as did my Aunt, Esther Scott. She had two children Albie and Christine. Another Aunt and Uncle Tom and Lilian Lyons lived in Green Gate. Would be great to make a connection.

    1. Hi June. I found this website by accident, a cousin of mine had made contact with relatives of ours in the USA. I came across your message and thought I would reply. I lived in the house (53) opposite your Aunt Esther and from memory I think I am about he same age as Albie. Our family owned 4 houses in Desford Road, my Grandmother an Aunt and an Uncle so I know it well. By coincidence I was in Desford Road last week, its a long story which I wont bother you with. Its a little different now!!! My father lived at number 53 until he died 7 years ago, he was 97, so he spent a long time in Desford Road. I live in Billericay in Essex but have lots of memories growing up in Canning Town. There has been so much development I hardly recognize it. What number did you live at?

      1. Hello David. While just browsing I came across your article and noticed your family name is the same as mine, Timcke. As we both came from the same area I would be surprised if there wasn’t a close (relatively) connection. My first home was Catherine Street (bombed out) then a Nisson hut at the end of Chargeable Lane. First school was Star Lane, we then moved to Appleby Road near the docks, where I stayed until marriage in 1966. Coincidentally my brothers name is David Timcke.

    2. Hi June (and Alan Porter, my cousin). I moved into Desford Road, age 10, in 1957. I went to Hilda Road Primary School for a year then to South West Ham Technical School on Barking Road.
      I lived at No 18 and can just about recall members of the Stafford family living further along the road. But I do remember Albie, Christine and their Mum very well. In those days it was much safer to play in the street, so long as we looked out for the Cornell lorries going to and from their depot (which was replaced by houses and called Desford Mews – since renamed because letters kept being wrongly delivered!). When the two ‘prefabs’ were pulled down we would have bonfires there every 5th November, until new houses were built on the site.

      I guess you didn’t get to know the kids living at “my end of the street” too well but bear with me if only to help my fading memory! There was Christine Wright and her brother Stephen at No 2, Valerie Adams and Vivian (my age) and a younger sister at 4, (there was no number 10 in Desford Road!), Barbara Bull at 12, Brian Everest and his older sister (Sheila / Susan?) at 13, me at 18 (before marriage my mother was a Porter – she will be 100 in April!)

      David, Colin and Alan Mitchell at 19 (sadly I went to David’s funeral about 9 years ago – he was a great husband, dad and granddad – and a good friend to me)
      At No 21 lived David (Whitewick?) and his much older brother. Barry and Pauline Brown and a younger sister at 22. Across the road in the prefabs before they were demolished, lived David Cassidy. Somewhere around nos 24 to 28 lived the Livett and Hubbard families – Marian and Richie Hubbard, Sheila Livett (very pretty lady who died far too young).

      At No 32 lived another friend of mine, John Cox and his sister Jean (‘Beanie’). John spent most of his adult life in the London Fire Brigade and now lives in North Norfolk. At No 34 lived the Padgett family – can’t recall all their names but I can think of Iris, Alan, Freddie. (Alan once bought an old but running Lanchester(?) limo for 7 shillings and sixpence – 37 1/2 p !!)

      Carol and Roy Mitchell lived at 44 until the family moved to Nottingham (where I now live).. Carol was very bright and I think it was due to her love and commitment that her son, Alex, went on to become a highly respected Consultant in the NHS. A few houses along lived your Aunt with Albie and Christine

      On the other side of the road, near the Cornell’s lorry turning, lived the Cartwright family, then John Blythe, the first of us to own a car (now living in East Ham I think). Then a girl (Doreen?) who was sadly diagnosed with something like leukaemia in her early teens and did not have a long life. Further along at 53 lived my cousin Alan Porter, who has already replied. Then there was the Nolan shop and other members of the Nolan family further along. (I remember David Nolan losing sight in one eye due to an infection but it didn’t seem to stop him – I admired his determination). At the end of Desford Road, as you turned left into Hilda Road, lived a school friend of mine, Ernie Glyde. He was a bright lad! Carried on at school then University and I think he got his first job in his late 20’s working in nuclear physics.

      As my cousin intimated, Desford Road has changed – and then some! No community spirit. Silly house prices and cars parked nose to tail the entire length of the road. I prefer to remember it as it was!

      1. A correction (thanks to my eagle-eyed cousin!) The shop in Desford Road was owned / run by Nolan Stokes and the ‘David’ I referred to is David STOKES (not David Nolan). Sorry – I’m an old, miserable, confused geezer!! (Don’t laugh, dear cousin – it’s coming for you!)

        1. Hi David. My name is John Withers and my Older brother Stephen and I lived on the corner of Desford Road and Hilda Road, my uncle had the Barbers Shop, (TOMMY’S), we live in Desford Road allthow owe address was in Hilda Road, all the people who you have mentioned I payed in the street with, Peter David George Paul and Ann Stokes Alan Porter Johnny cartwright Ian ward Tony and Alan pachit, and my best mate David whitewick. We left Hilda Road at the end of 1975 when Dad retired and we moved out to SARFEND, DAD DIED 3 MONTHS LATER, I now live in Spain, but still have happy memories of Desford Road Hilda Road and Canning Town.

          1. Hi John
            The current worrying virus situation got me looking at the comments page and I came across your post.
            Remember you and your brother and Tom the barber.
            Strange how our memories can recall all the detail of Desford Road life when we were kids. I recall all the people that you mentioned in your post and
            wonder what happened to them.
            I currently live in Billericay so I haven’t gone far in all those years. My only claim to fame as far as where I have lived, is that first place that my wife and I had was on the 22nd floor of Ronan Point when they rebuilt it after the collapse.
            Until about 5 years ago I had regular visits to Desford. As I mentioned previously our family had 4 houses in the street.
            It’s a little different now. I wonder what happened to Cornells lorries????

          2. Hi John. Yes, I remember you and your brother. Do you know what happened to David Whitewick, or did you lose touch? As a young and innocent lad sitting in Tom’s barber shop, I thought that when he asked blokes if they needed anything for the weekend, he meant Brylcream!!
            Did Stephen go to South West Ham Technical School? I remember latching on to somebody from your end of the road on my first day walking to SWHTS, very conscious of my new uniform and the risk of getting set on by the Pretoria Road(School) mob!

      2. 26TH AUGUST 2020 AT 1:29 PM
        Hello David. While just browsing I came across your article and noticed your family name is the same as mine, Timcke. As we both came from the same area I would be surprised if there wasn’t a close (relatively) connection. My first home was Catherine Street (bombed out) then a Nisson hut at the end of Chargeable Lane. First school was Star Lane, we then moved to Appleby Road near the docks, where I stayed until marriage in 1966. Coincidentally my brothers name is David Timcke.

        1. Hello Ronald you may know my Mum, Dorothy Chapman, daughter of Bill & Eileen Lived at 38 Appleby Rd & had a little sister called Susan, Mum got married from there in Oct 1966?

          1. Yup Jacqui, certainly do. I lived at number 30 with brother David and sisters Valerie and Allison. I like Dorothy got married in 1966 but in March at St. Lukes.

        2. David Edward Timcke

          Hi Ronald. Sorry – only just seen your comments.
          My paternal grandfather was Albert George Timcke who was married to Susan (nee Locke)
          They lived at the back of the old Canning Town cinema (now on or close to the site of Canning Town station)
          Can’t recall the name of the road but it ran parallel to Silvertown Way and was probably the last street before the Canning Town / Iron Bridge
          They were also bombed out and were moved (possibly somewhere closer to Beckton Park – not sure)
          My mother (101 in April!) tells me my grandfather had brothers and sisters.
          He and Susan (a very gentle kind lady) had six children – identical twins, Albert (my Dad) and Henry (born 1913), Jack, George , Mary and Violet
          My mum and dad married at Trinity Church, Barking Road (now flats) in 1939.
          They had a daughter Valerie who died in January 1947 age just under 3. I was born in June 1947
          I lived in Ivy Road Custom House (close to the old Paragon factory) and went to Hallsville School (close to Appleby Road!) from 1947 to 1954
          I remember being a regular attendee at a Sunday school on Butchers Road, run by a Salvation Army Captain – but that was so we got free access to Laural and Hardy and Chaplin films on Saturday mornings!
          In 1954, we moved to Charford Road (close to Butchers Road and Beckton Road (now Newham way)
          I do recall my mother telling me that another branch of the Timcke family, living close to us at that time, had a baby that they called David . That would be around 1955/6. I did not know the family but I think they were descended from one of my grandad’s siblings.
          In 1956 we moved to Desford Road Canning Town (not far from Hermit Road) and I went on to attend South West Ham Technical School on Barking Road from 1958 to 1963.
          I was a keen swimmer and spent a lot of time at Balaam Street Baths, walking almost every day along Chargeable Lane (we called it Inky Pinky Lane because of the printing ink works!)
          My dad died in 1967 age 52. His brother Jack married Flo(pence) and lived in Dagenham where he worked for Ford. His son, my cousin Alan Timcke moved to Spain a few years ago and I cannot now trace him.
          Henry Timcke married Norah and moved to Harlow and had two sons, Roy and Terry
          George Timcke (the youngest brother) lived at Harold Wood, was married to Ann and had one son, Colin
          I’m afraid I am not too sure about the two sisters, Mary and Violet. I think one died at a relatively young age. The other had two boys Robin and David (surnames escape me for the moment) but David was killed by a trolley bus, I think somewhere near Balaam Street in the 1950’s

          I’m sorry if that is far too much information but it is helpful to me in writing a family history book for my daughter!

          I am now retired and live with my wife in Nottingham. We have one daughter who lives about 15 miles away in Shepshed and a granddaughter and grandson
          My mother lives in sheltered housing 10 minutes from me. Sadly, the lockdown has badly affected her memory so I can’t get any more family history from her – and we are still trying to celebrate her 100th birthday, 11 months after the event!!

          By looking on the web I have spotted two other David Timcke’s One ran a double glazing firm the other a shop for exotic animals (snakes etc)
          By the way, do you pronounce the name like me – Tim-key or Tim-ker (as in Germany) or maybe just Timk?

          Please let me know if any of this rings any bells with you.

      3. My nan and grandad lived at 15 restore the ords alone with my mum Jessie and her brother sidy seem to remember the corner shop being called Cyril’s,name used to play piano in the anchornfor free drinks

        1. Your comments ring a bell with me.

          Was Sid a keen rower? And at one time had a large left hand drive (American) car?
          I lived across the road at No 18
          Yes, the corner shop was Cyril’s

          My nan and granddad, Ted and Liz Porter (8 Desford Road) were regulars at the Anchor – I think she sang there on occasions!

      4. Hello David. While just browsing I came across your article and noticed your family name is the same as mine, Timcke. As we both came from the same area I would be surprised if there wasn’t a close (relatively) connection. My first home was Catherine Street close to the docks (bombed out ’43) then a Nisson hut near the end of Chargeable Lane close to the convent. First school was Star Lane, we then moved to Appleby Road near the the Vic Dock, where I stayed until marriage in 1966. Coincidentally my brothers name is David Timcke. I think my section of the family (paternal) came from the Bow area before Catherine St. Most of the family moved to Collier Row after the war but my parents Rose and John stayed in Canning town until about 1970 when they moved to the Norfolk coast.

  17. My grandad was Richard tranter manager in tate and lyles my nan was violet tranter née maloney my other nan was Elizabeth Willis married to Charlie Willis children were Mary, who married Jack Murphy,, Terry who married Diane and Jack who married Joyce from canning Town my nan and grandad Mr and Mrs Richard tranter lived at bottom of roman Rd their house next door to butchers backed on to houses on Beckton rd

    1. hi my grandad george william cherry worked for tate and before war so he may have known my grandad his dad was george alton cherry and emily cherry i will have to find out there address in canning town. After the war everyone seemed to move to move to dagenham after probably being bombed out. hope you dont mind me replying as only slightly linked to your memory.

      1. Hi I kind of link to this as well. My Grandfather was born in Frank Street In 1920. He was William Felton ( his Grandfather lived at number 9) my Grandad was the eldest of 4 kids. William, Bob, Herbie George and Violet. Violet is the last surviving relative and is 86. My Grandfather would be 100 now. He moved to Dagenham with my Nan and had 6 kids. They lived 29 Gainsborough Road.

    2. Hello B GEE I just read your post and realised that you are talking about my Nan Lizzie Willis. My name is Jane Willis and I am the Daughter of Terry and Diane Willis. We migrated to Australia in 1974 and I have one brother Mark. Dad (Terry) passed away in 2004 and I have always been interested in Canning Town and my Dads history. Im not sure if we are related somewhere along the way??

  18. My nan lived in canning Town liza Willis had Mary who married Jack Murphy Terry who married Diane Jack who married Joyce bought three two up two down in canning Town op. Pub, can’t remember name she was along by cafe and tailors on the corner best suits ever,, you could cross the Rd from hers and walk down side of pub to raffy.. dick and violet tranter house backed on to Beckton Rd he was manager in tate she worked parti me in the dairy Eastham they had doreen, violet Jean Joyce there Rd,, roman Rd, best grandparents ever

    1. HI B Gee

      I wonder if you are talking about the Beckton Arms? You used to have the walked along thru back of raffy and past sub way?

      Or maybe The Ordnance Arms but that is on the barking road..

      I’m 38 and lot has changed seen I moved in 2005..

      1. Hi Lisa
        Came across this site while Googling for department stores on the Barking Road in the 1930’s/1940s, hope you don’t mind me contacting you!

        My Dad (Ken Richardson senior – I’m junior!) is 91 now and was reminiscing about being evacuated from the East End during the war (first to Somerset and then back to Slough).

        He lived in Chargeable Lane, Plaistow and remembers the convent school, being shot at by German fighters, keeping chickens in their small back garden but mentioned a department store to me and I was trying to find it for him but haven’t been able to yet. He may have misremembered the name of course and I’m not even sure what he said it was – began with an S I think and was on the corner of the Barking Road and a side road – said he remembers the Christmas displays etc.

        I’ve been searching for “1930 s department stores Barking Road London” without success!

        I wondered if there is a Plaistow or Barking Road society who may have old photos of it (and other landmarks) on line anywhere?

        Kind regards

        1. Hi Ken. I’m guessing you are talking about Staddons, which was on the corner of Barking Road and Balaam Street. The building was still there when I was last in the area about 5 years ago but the store closed some time ago I think it is now a small retail operation with flats above
          It was an old fashioned departmental store selling a whole range of clothing and goods. The sales staff did not have tills – they placed your money into an overhead “cup” which then travelled along a line (close to the ceiling) to the cash office. A few minutes later the cup would come back with a receipt and your change. It was high tech in those days! Come to think of it, it reminds me of the store in the old TV series, “Are You Being Served?”
          My mother (who will be 100 in April) sometimes reminds me that as a kid in the early 1950s, I would throw myself on the floor at Staddons whenever she tried to get me to try on a new coat! I’m 72 now and still hate shopping!!
          David (now in Nottingham)

        2. I too was evacuated from St Lukes church school to Somerset (Ditcheat) in 1939 but moved by my mother to Keynsham as she was amazed at where I had been placed! It was a small pig business and I (8 yrs old) was made to clean and feed the pigs. I never returned home to Ford Street as it was bombed out and we were relocated to Rainham in Essex (then a real village) . I remember the excitement of going on the train and then later in the day when we were lined up to be ‘picked’ by the locals and as realisation began to close in that we were not going home. BUT being Eastenders we coped with most that was thrown at us and got through it all , and the biggest thing was not seeing your parents for years and years, only letters. My memories are very sharp although at 89 I could have expected to maybe forgotten some,NO WAY ! There must be others of us who remember being evacuated?

          Julie Rumsby (nee Daley)

          1. Hello Julie. I was born in Malmesbury Road, Canning Town, but we moved in the early 1950’s to Keynsham. My dad was the manager of the Tate & Lyles packing depot there.
            You wouldn’t recognise the small village that Keynsham used it be. It’s now part of the urban sprawl that is Bristol now. I moved from there many years ago, but finally moved back to Bristol as my family were all still there.
            Do you remember any names of evacuees in Keynsham? There was a family called Olive. Mrs Olive was such a character. I loved her when I was little. She used to give me chewing gum!
            Are you happy and well? I do hope so.

        3. Hi Ken there is a group on Facebook called history of Canning town, also one all to do with Newham (as it became ) some of these groups are quite helpful. Regards Sue Perry

        4. Hello,
          Could the department store be Staddons?

          Fascinating memories! I was born in the maternity home at Plaistow in 1946 and grew up to age 10 in Desford Road, no. 64. Lynda Carter was my name. We lived in a house rented by my grandparents two doors down from the barbers on the same side. Nolan Stokes, from the shop, I remember, was a keen photographer. I played with Anne Stokes, his niece, who lived a few doors along and with Kathleen Bowers who lived just round the corner opposite the barbers.

          I’m amazed at people’s memories of names and street numbers, etc. I don’t remember such details and admire people who do. My memories are more of images. The summers seemed dry and hot, broken eventually by plagues of flying ants that preceded heavy thunder storms. As kids we’d sit on the pavement kerb digging out the dirt that collected in the gutters with lolly sticks or on the front wall (uncomfortable pebble dash concrete in our case, the railings having been taken during the war) and put on shows (singing the Beverley Sisters’ hit, ‘Sisters’ with exaggerated actions or ‘Singing in the rain’ with umbrellas. The view towards the barbers end of Desford Road must have been west because I’ve never forgotten the amazing evening skies as the sun fell behind the gasometer and Power Station cooling towers in that direction.

          The school playground (my school was Star Lane) was always open in the evenings. Entering the playground through a brick archway you met a metal barrier (to break the rush – out or in?!) We girls loved to turn somersaults upside down on this barrier, tucking our skirts into our knickers for convenience. Typical of its time, the brickwork around the various entrances to the school was carved with the appropriate title – Infants, Boys, Girls, etc. One building, to the right, near the caretakers house I think, had the word ‘Cookery’ inscribed over it. I don’t remember it being used as such, or for very much else, except that at the end of term or special occasions like Christmas, we’d be packed in there, the blackout blinds would be pulled and we’d have the special treat of Charlie Chaplin or Laurel and Hardy films for an hour or so before emerging, blinking into the playground again. This ‘Cookery’ was a scary place to me that recurred in my dreams. Don’t know why. The outside toilets were situated around that area, too and a flight of outside steps that led into the Juniors. These were also a magnet to us – there were about 9 or 10 steps with a metal bannister. The challenge was to start at the bottom and jump from the step to the ground – no prob, but you repeated for each successive step and it was more like pole vaulting when you got to the top step, sliding your hand as far down the bannister as you could before making the leap.

          It’s so well documented how the seasonal games of gobs (five stones) two and three balls up the wall, hopscotch, skipping, conkers, and later, in the sixties, hula hoops, yo-yos and ‘whizzers’ came and went. Rounders, too, was always popular and we were really lucky to have somewhere on our doorsteps to play these games and meet to up with our mates and inhabit a kids world of our own, weren’t we? There was a school caretaker who kept a pretty low profile, I think and similarly there were caretakers at Hermit Rd Park so we had a degree of freedom to go off with money for a Jubbly or a Penny ice lolly if we were lucky and just be kids.

          I have seen one or two names that I recognise in the posts but I moved from Desford Road when my parents names finally came to the top of the council housing list when I was 10, in 1956. We moved to a flat in Forest Gate which, being near to Wanstead Flats, I thought was the countryside. My grandparents continued to live there though as did other family members so I was a frequent visitor and my memories of growing up in Canning Town are very fond and loyal ones.

          Anyone remember the best winter slides in the area? Right down the centre of Addington Road, opposite the school gates.

          Must stop but enjoy reminiscing. Thanks to all for sharing their memories.

        5. It was calked Staddons, my aunt Eileen Purton worked there in the curtain department.
          They had the pulley money canisters in them which as a kid I found fascinating.

          Margaret S

    2. Hi B GEE,I am Diane Willis wife of Terry, who’s mum was Lizzy Willis, The Pub was called the Beckton Arms, that was opposite Charlie and Lizzy’s house.We now live in Australia, My daughter Jane saw your post, and told me about it.I knew your mum and dad.We have lived here in Oz for about 47 years.It is great to hear from a relative from England. Take care keep well.

    3. Bee G, My Dad (Chris Beauford) worked in Tate & Lyle as a welder from late 70s to 90s.. my Uncle worked in East Ham dairy (John Tarling) for many years.. i wonder if our relatives knew each other?

  19. Hi

    I was born in 1950 at 85 Liverpool Road , we moved to Reed Close in 1952 ( near fife Road and Kier Hardy School ) anyone remember anything about this area? Went to this school from 1950-61 then on to Ashburton School in Freemasons Road

    1. Jacquelyn Reeves

      Hi Stephen, we lived in Liverpool Road, my father was Alf Reeves, he and his family lived at 90 Liverpool Rd, and my mother was iris Hexamer, they lived at 105 Liverpool Road. We immigrated to Australia in 1960 and then came to New Zealand. My dad passed away last april, he had photographs he’d taken of Liverpool Road up on his walls, and yearned for the ‘good times’ growing up in Canning Town.

      1. Hi , i have just one picture of Liverpool Road , would be good see some more , other relatives of mine lived at no 99 Liverpool Road

      2. Hi sorry to hear about your dad it would have been good to chat with him . We moved to Australia in 1965 but came back to the uk , trying to get as much info as possible re Canning Town in the 50s and 60s to pass on to my grandchildren

      3. Hi Jacqueline, my name is Tricia Black ( Reeves ) my mum and dad were your uncle Ern And aunt peg .Imagine my surprise seeing this .

    2. I lived in Appleby Rd and went to Hallsville Sch until ‘53 and then Ashburton until ‘57.
      Happy youth, no complaints.

  20. Hi Julie

    I also find it very interesting, I am 38 and moved away when I was 25 to start a family with husband in Suffolk now.

    It has changed so much since I left in 2005 and its not how I remember it to be, most families have moved away apart 2 that I still know who live in Fort Street and the pub Streeties not sure when that was built?.. I will always remember my childhood roots in east london and very proud of where I come from. I feel that the East end has died out as we live in a different world now days.

    I love watching call the midwife its one of my fave programmes..

    Kind Regards xx

    1. Hi. Is this Lisa Davis of the Bruns family. If so I used to take Geoff out in his pram during school holidays. I havent seen him since he was maybe 17.

      Janet Knowles (nee Skeggs)

  21. Hi Lisa,

    I have seen Ford Street on the internet as it is now, and whilst the road is still the same (almost), the houses are certainly very different ! I was evacuated from 5 Ford Street in 1939 and was never able to go back as the area was decimated by the bombing raids . When I watch the programme ‘Call the midwife’ it takes me straight back to life as it was when I lived in Ford Street..
    There was a family who lived 2 doors down from us named Upton, their daughter (my age) was Peggy Upton. It was such a shame that so many people were spread around the country and lost contact with each other making this site so precious if you manage to find news of someone you knew. When I saw how Rathbone Street had changed , memories became the only standby of my life.

    Thanks for jumping the gap between residents of 5 Ford Street, it is very interesting, and Ford Street will always have that ‘pull’ because of being where I was born.


  22. Hi my husband used to know someone surname crabb he lived in liverpool rd his name was les Reed he left liverpool rd in 1950 when we married he had a sister name rosie .

  23. My fatherinlaws harry holmes lived with his parents and three brother s three sisters doris rose maud during the bombing they lived agate street

  24. Hello, does anybody remember the E A Burnell butchers in the original Rathbone Market, Fife Road and Tarling Road. These shops were owned by my Grandfather and Father. I have visited the area today and found the Tarling Road parade of shops are no more and the Fife Road shop is now a Ladbrokes betting office. Massive changes in the general area too – Kier Hardy School has gone amongst other big changes.

    1. I was born in 1939 and lived in Beckton rd , I can rememember after the war going to the Queens theatre in poplar to see the variety shows , I think the compare was called Buttons,does anyone else remember the theatre.

      1. I was born in 1932 Charles, and I went to the Queens many times as a schoolboy. I used to help a local greengrocer with his Saturday morning horse and cart round and my payment was a trip to the Queens in the evening. And I loved it.

        1. Perhaps I should add that I was born in Chard Street which was located in what we used to call Old Canning Town, an area that was destroyed by incendiary bombing early in the war and,as far as I am aware, has remained an industrial site till this day. But I lived in Canning Town until I was past 40.

          1. Members of the Romany ‘Gypsy’ branches of my family tree [Buckley, Taylor, Smith] settled in Canning Town / West Ham / Plaistow / Leytonstone in the late Victorian era – often when the early death of the man of the family made it too difficult to carry on travelling. I know that one of the families, surname Taylor, lived at 1 Chard Street, and others variously and at different times in Star Lane, Shipwright Street, Charlotte Street, Wellington Place, Bidder Street, Tucker Street and Florence Street. I wonder if the descendants of these family might be looking at this thread?

          2. Hi, I’m searching for a john Taylor, Worked on the building trade of canning town roofing and scaffolding. 1960’s i think he was born. Any one have any information (maybe his mother was Italian, i have heard through the grape vine) ManyThanks

      2. Charles – I believe your late sister Doreen to be my Auntie. She was married to my Mother’s brother Bernard [who I know as George – a ‘family’ thing I assume]. They lost contact many years ago and I don’t know if Bernard is still alive. His parents [my grandparents] lived in Grange Road, Ilford and i think Doreen and Bernard lived in Seven King’s at the time. My mother is Margaret Clarke nee French her husband Bob sadly died last year. If you are still in contact please feel free to pass this info on.

      3. Sorry Charles not sure if my last post worked.
        I believe your late sister Doreen is my Auntie. She was married to Bernard French my mother’s brother. We know him as George [a family thing although my youngest is named George after her brother]. My mother is Margaret Clarke nee French. Her parents lived in Grange Road Ilford – I think Doreen and Bernard lived in Seven Kings when I was very young. Sadly her husband Bob Clarke died last year and Margaret lost touch with Bernard many years ago although I do remember him telling my mother of Doreen’s sad passing. If you are still in contact with Bernard please feel free to pass this information on. Thank you.

        1. Hi joe , Small world , you are right and sadly George died a few years ago , George and Doreen along with there three sons Steve, Paul and Chris all lived in Witham near Chelmsford as I do now . I think your mum had a sister who I got on very well with when we were young she was a such a lovely girl . Keep in touch would love to hear from you again. Charlie.

          1. Charlie – thanks for replying so quickly. Well that is sad he was younger than my mother as well. Any idea when and from what he died? Only Jeanette and my Mother left although they also remain estranged since about 1987 I think. I live near Chelmsford as my parents moved to Ingatestone from Ilford in 1978. Jean had two sons Eddie and Daniel. Joe

          2. Joe , where do you live now and we can arrange to meet in a pub near you , looking forward to meeting you. Charlie.

        2. Joe , George died about five years ago with cancer the same as Doreen, he did marry again but perhaps if we could meet up I will fill you in with the whole story. We must only be a short distance from where we both live , my son only recently moved from ingatestone I still play bowls there sometimes. Charlie

          1. My apologies Charlie i found my mother collapsed at home (Bernard’s sister) so nursing her back to health. Give me a while and we can arrange something maybe at The Bell In Danbury? Joe

          2. Joe , sorry to hear about mum hope she’s gets well soon , the Bell pub is good for me , see you soon , Charlie.

          3. Charlie – I thought I would update you that we have finally got my mother reasonably comfortable at home. So if you are still OK to meet up let me know when free. Maybe short notice but I am around tonight [Tue] and most Tuesday’s. Let me know. Kind Regards, Joe

          4. Hi Charles, my grandads name was Charlie Sage (born around 1915) and his mums name was Nellie, I’m sure they were from that area around the same time,. He went on to marry Dolly Sage and had two children (Joan and Pauline). Any relation or memory of him?

          1. Charlie – assume we are still on for 7.30pm tonight Bell Inn? Looking forward to meeting you. Joe

          2. Ok see you there – I will bring a picture of the French family and it is sadly the only picture my mother has of George [Bernard]. I’m sure you will recognise them all as it was taken in 1962 i believe.

      4. I am 82 now but I worked in my dad’s shop Gobells butchers in Prince Regent Lane for many years from 1957 when I came out of the army. Anybody remember the shop? Hope they do.

        1. Was Gobells near churchill road I remember a butchers shop with adjacent grocery shop, in the sixties,
          and sweet shop Mrs Larkins i think and at the end of prince regent lane was mrs Stephens tobacco and newspapers ,
          I lived in Ripley road

    2. I remember Burnells Butcher Tarling Road, because my dads greengrocers shop Jollys was right next door.
      The original 10 shops were Francis-Grocer
      Lakers -Sweet shop
      Laundrey shop
      Burnell-Butchers- Also Benny Rand Butcher


      1. Hi Pat
        I was born in Malmesbury Rd in 1947 and went to Star Lane Infant and Junior School. Then Pretoria Secondary (NOW EASTLIEGH) There was a girl in my class from the Jolly family, and her parents had a Greengrocers in Hermit Road? But I cant remember her Christian name. We moved from Canning Town when I was 15 to Custom House. I remember the Ronan Point explosion, it shook me in my bed early that morning. And my now sister- in-law’s Aunt and Uncle that lived in the tower were killed.

          1. my husband was a fireman at prince regent lane, and drove the first appliance that went to Ronan Point, he is Ken Smith and lived in Percy road

        1. Hi Christine.. Only just now seen your post. I think she was Mary Jolly. I lived in the area at the time that Mary owned a VW Beetle and I had one with almost the same registration. Never got to spoke with her – too shy, thanks to having attended an all boys school (the old South West Ham Tech on Barking Road)

        2. I do not remember if there was one in Hermit Road but Mrs Jolly (elderly) had a shop in Pretoria Road, next to the coal yard. She used to give me an Apple when I shopped for my Mum !!

      2. i think i remember you Pat and your younger sister Liz? – my name is John Andress (Andy) – we used to all go to St Margarets club on Barking Road – i lived in Hermit Road then next door to my uncles Charlies the Barber and opposite Georges Pie & Mash shop (luvly) – i still see Mick Dulieu – Max & Peter Stevens and recently met with Kay & Jack Duffield at Mick’s 70th birthday bash – i hope you are the same Pat Jolly ?

        1. Charlie Wickenden, now there’s a name to jog the memory. His wife did a bit of Ladies hairdressing too. Spent a large part of my youthful life watching Charlie give blokes a D.A. etc. One very wet Saturday morning I watched a bloke have a really elaborate DA. When Charlie asked what he was doing that afternoon the bloke said “I’m playing football at the Mems, then off to The Winter Hall (dance hall in East Ham)”. I bet the “mud” helped his haircut set nicely!

      3. Hi Pat . my grandfather had a shoe repair business on Hermit road it was known as Reids our surname is Tripp I think we are related.

      1. I read your book, Pat, and really enjoyed it. It provided a brilliant perspective on the social history of the fabric and cohesion of the community at that time and is of great interest for anyone who knew the area, past or present.

    3. Yes remember the butchers in fife road ,we lived in Reed close just around the corner ,went to Keira hardy school from 1955-61

  25. Hello all,
    My Mum and all my aunties were born in Canning Town in the 1930s and lived there until they were bombed out during WW2. I wondered if any of you could please recommend a DVD about life at the time in that part of the East End. Many thanks and I enjoy reading all your comments about your memories.

    1. Hi Jane
      A friend of mine johnny ringwood has written an autobiographyof tge life and times of a london docklands man. It us a good read, he was brought up in canning town, the book is called Cargoes & Capers. I bought it on Amazon im pretty sure it was less than a tenner. Jphn was born in 1936 next to the royal doc the book was printed in 2017. Im sure you will enjoy it.

  26. Hello, Just found this site. My Dad was born in Hearn Street in Canning Town in 1930 and lived there with his 2 elder sisters and parents until the start of WW2 when they were evacuated. Don’t suppose anyone knows of any photos of that street on any sites or has any memories of it or my family? My Dad often recounted how he and his mates would cross under the Thames on foot and then return on the Woolwich ferry.

    1. Janice Brown Josch

      Hello everyone .. did anyone know my now late father, Charles Brown? Lived in RavensCroft Road, his mother (remarried) Eileen Thorp

    2. Ellee taylor/lacey

      Hey , i have just found out my great grandparents and grand father was born at tidal basin , 29 hearn street . My grandad is called Ernest Taylor , be nice to hear from anybody who knows him

  27. stanley reed farther frederick reed dockeri was born

    i lived 44 ordnance road e 16 bombed 1940 now live north london age 88 met a school mate 1951 raf benson

    1. Are you related to the reds who lived in liverpool rd to end near the sweetshop my husband came from there Lesley Reed no 28 m

  28. Does anyone remember the Wheeler or Florey family? They lived in Randolph Rd, Custom House in the 50’s and 60’s (probably earlier than that too). My nan, Annie Florey (nee Wheeler) & grandad Sid worked at Tate & Lyle in Silvertown.I am looking for any photos of the street from any time period and Shipman Road school.

    1. my aunt eileen and uncle pat pepper lived in Randolph rd then i will have a look for some pictures i know i have some

      1. Hi Debra,

        Did you manage to find any photos of Randolph Rd? I attended Prince Regent Lane primary school in the 1960’s does anyone remember this school? I can’t find anything on it at all

        1. Hi Debra. Try searching for Tollgate school. It was just off Prince Regent lane, and is probably the school you’re referring to. I went there from 1960 to 1966, infants and juniors.

  29. Hello I am Lisa Bruns now Davies..My whole family comes from Canning Town.They started of in Malmesbury Rd (the old one.) And they then moved to Exining Road some years later (the first house on the corner) right up until 2015 when my Grandad sadly passed away christmas eve 2014. My Dad is Stephen Bruns,he has 3 brothers and 1 sister, Keith, Geoff, Angela, Brian. And my nan and grandad were Sidney and Phyllis Bruns. Also My Great nan used to own the Fish and chip shop on Star Lane her name was Rose Hopkins but this was way back I think before the Anchor Pub was around? Which I basically spend most of my childhood in the Anchor (Or on the step outside haha) The owners used to have a daughter called Leigh and we all used play outside together must be about 30 years ago now.. I am 38.

    I loved going up the raffy (Rathbone Market) and getting a hot dog for 60p and then a cake in Percy Inckles or going to Murkoffs Best ice creams ever..I lived in Shirley Street all my life and moved 2005.. All my childhood memories are from the east end and I miss it.

    1. Hi Lisa,

      My name is David Pickles, I was born in Stratford in 1955 (Queen Mary’s Hospital), and lived in Plaistow (Falcon St) until 1989.

      I remember someone called Elaine Bruns who went to either Grange Rd school and/or Ravenscroft and wondered whether she was a relative of yours too, as it’s such an unusual surname.

      Both my parents are buried at East London Cemetery and I go up around every 6-8 weeks to put flowers on their grave. Unlike you, though I don’t miss the East End anymore as it’s not the place of my childhood (lovely) memories anymore, but changed beyond total recognition.

      Best wishes to you and your family.

      1. Christine Jackson

        My friend is Elaine Bruns and she remembers you. She lives in Dagenham. She went to Grange Road, then Curwen then Lister Tech. She is related to the Bruns family in Canning Town but didn’t really know them.

        1. Hi Christine,

          Thank you for replying, I wonder if you know what Elaine’s Parents are called please, just so I can see how we are related.

          Thank you

      2. Lisa Davies (Bruns)

        Hi David

        I don’t know Elaine or heard of that name. But my family is so big and I’m still meeting new members..

        I only miss the old days, not as it is now as it’s totally changed..

        I lived and worked in Stratford for about 10 years along the Broadway and lived at Riverside road and I worked in The Builders and The Greyhound pubs, Do you Terry White? He was the DJ in the Greyhound for years.

        1. Hi Lisa

          No, I don’t recall the name. I did frequent the Greyhound occasionally, you may have served me a pint or three!

          My usual visits to Stratford were either the Swan (big pub on the corner – not sure whether it’s still there now), or to pick up the coach for the speedway at Hackney on Friday nights, when we’d go into the Edward VIII by the church.

          Happy days – never to be repeated of course. How things have changed, we never knew then how it would all turn out!

          Best wishes – David

          1. Hi David

            I worked in the greyhound from 2001 for a few years, when Tino and Isabelle ran it. Me and my family always used to go every Saturday night and knew a lot of people in there, was one of the best times of my life.

            I do know the Swan but only went in there once or twice. Mainly The Greyhound and sometimes the Spread Eagle.. And Streeties in Canning Town but So many pubs have gone.. its really sad.

            Kind Regards


      3. Hello David, I remember both you and Elaine Bruns. My name was Fiona Rowland (now Potter) and I went to Ravenscroft after Grange Road. Do you remember Glenda Smith she lived near you at the end of Anne Street.

    2. Hello lisa
      I knew your dad very well and your nan & grandad, i used to sleep over at weekends, Hopkins fish & chips were the best around, my dad wouldnt have any other. I remember the family moving round to Exning rd cos the offy was next door on the corner. The anchor pub has been there forever we used to hire out the upstairs regular for little parties when we were too young to drink downstairs ! give my regards to your dad, had fond memories of ol “Brunsy”
      Colin “Tommo” Thomas

      1. Lisa Davies (Bruns)

        Hello Colin

        My dad sadly has dementia and I care for him he lives with me in Suffolk with my family.

        He always talks about the fish and chip shop that my nanny hopkins had, sadly she passed away many years ago now at the age of 81 ish, My Nan (phil) passed wen I was 13/14 25 years ago.

        How old would you of been then? My dad’s memory is around that era alot.I will ask him if he remembers you and I will pass on your regards.

        Thank you so much for replying Colin – Best wishes to you and your family.

  30. My grandfather was born in West Hamm, and lived in Custom House in 1911. He was 13 at the time. His name was Robert Wilfred Waters. His father had the same name, and his mother was either Eliza or Lilian Webb. He had an elder sister with the same name as his mother and some younger siblings, I believe one was named Harold.

    On the census they were just listed as living at Custom House, London. No specific address – anyone know why? What was ‘Custom House’?

    Any information would be greatly appreciated! My grandfather died after the first world war from an injury that left him in a wheelchair. It was a rather sad story, but thankfully my father Robert Waters emigrated to Canada and had a good life.

      1. I lived in Murray Square, Custom House from 1950 until 1962 and always believed that the area was a suburb on its own – totally separate from Canning Town.

        1. I am 38 and Custom house/Canning town is all the same. I know a few families in Murray Square.. A family friends of ours who has been the Decades they are the Jackson Family do you know them?


          1. No, Lisa, don’t remember any Jacksons ( not to say there weren’t any) but I do remember a Davies family. They had a german shepherd called Kim that terrified the neighbourhood kids.

  31. My name was Irene Bull , lived in Mary Street and then Silveryown Way, loved going to Rathbone market for the sarspirella and Murkoffs icecream. Love looking back to those good old days, may have been a slum area but there was more community spirit than there is nowadays.

    1. my mum, used to go to Rathbone market, she often mentions hot sarspirella in the winter time. She was born 1936 a Scanlan, they lived in Victoria Dock Road. She has dementia now , so if any one has any memories to hare or photos, that would be great

  32. Hello pat leach. I remember your family very well Pat Sylvia mick and mum dad, Do you remember who lived above you in Beckton road. Mr
    rattenberry. my sister dolly and Joan have now passed on. Ivy has,
    moved to Brighton, Some one may be interested to to know that mr CRIBB
    is still with us but retired, his real name is STAN HARRIS. I must
    get in touch with my cousin CHARLIE SAGE. have not seen him for many years looking forward to hear from you.

      1. Good morning Charlie,

        Just a stab in the dark, but was your mum edie who lived at number 36 next to us in 38.

        I was only young but I knew edie & remember Pauline who married ken,

        Let me know please if Im right

        1. Paul Short , hi Paul Yes your right also my sisters Doreen and Theresa , you probably lived there when my father died when we worked at the BOCM in Silvertown, sadly mum and Doreen have died but I’m in Witham , Pauline in Canvey,and Theresa in Maldon .

  33. reading about charley sage brought back lots of memmories his sister Doreen who sadly passed away as well as her mother edie and there was . Pauline.we were all related my family were the browns and we lived in beckton rd 441 next door to the leach family Sylvia and her sister pat and brother mick. and opposite down a side turning was a
    stadium much larger than Wembley who used to put on speedway after the war.brick air raid sheltersin the back garden,hop picking every
    September. I could go on and on but bye for now

    1. Hi Alfie Brown ! I remember the hop picking very well they were great times down China farm , the old huts lightig the fires going so mum could get dinner going , that long walk to the shop opposite the green hill, Bert doing the toilets , scrumping in the orchards,so many great memories like going into Canterbury every weekend , likeyou say I could go on and on.

      1. Patrick Blake-Kerry

        Makes me laugh, the talk of hop picking as I ended up living in Hampshire as my mum and brother were bombed out and evacuated in 1940. They ended up in Bentley because it was the only place the driver knew outside London.
        Conversly having stayed and live in Bentley after the war it seemed strange that people would want to come all that way to pick hops. Of course all the locals also did the picking, as well as hop training in the spring. Also spud picking as well , and a few Londoners used to stay behind for that. We also had a field full of gypsies complete with horse drawn caravans for the picking season.I think Mum and bro were living in Hermit Rd when they were bombed.

        1. Patlrick , We lived very close to Hermit rd after moving from Beckton rd in fact we drove along there this very day , we went to the cemetery to take flowers to put on my parents grave. To put it bluntly Canning Town is like a foreign country now , it is a s***hole.

  34. I used to have a friend who lived in Star lane in Canning Town in the late 60s and 70s his name was Frank Morgan he was a drummer in a band called The Trend if anyone knows him or has information I would dearly love to hear from them

  35. I went to school in Canning Town, the old South West Ham Tech from 1964 to 1970. They were halcyon days! Tech was very sports orientated and missing lessons to attend athletics matches and to go sailing for a week on the River Blackwater was most welcome. We were a real mixed bag. There was a really good workshop complex where you could choose between metalwork, woodwork, motor mechanics, bricklaying and plumbing. In the first year you could only do Pottery and being told that if you didn’t get all the air out of the clay, it would explode in the oven led to many a hollow head being made purely to destroy all the serious boys pots. Chemistry would involve explosives some times, again, the wrong thing to teach a bunch of budding juvenile delinquents like a lot of us were at the time. I can remember making several bombs from steel tube packed with ingredients I learned about at Tech. We blew up a tree in Balam st park with one shattering the windows of a nearby house.

    Rather than have school dinners, it would be pie and mash at Mudies in the Barking Road or a cafe type place in Rathbone market that had those sugar dispensers whose lids we would loosen before we left. Vinegar bottles and salt pots also got the same treatment. You could buy loose fags in most shops close to the school and these were known as threepennies. It was pot luck what you got but I remember that Gaurds were a regular brand. Ferinos at the back of the school sold ice cream drinks, a mixture of Tizer and the lovely ice cream he sold. I have many stories of my time there which one day, I intend to put into a book. Names will have to be changed as some of the strokes pulled would be extremely embarrassing to those involved and their now families.
    I now work as a Consultant in the Oil and Gas business and travel all over the world and it was Tech that gave me the grounding that has enabled me to do this.

    I will always be grateful to Ozzy, our brilliant headmaster, Mr Garbutt who instilled in me a love for motor engineering, Bill Thurman who always accompanied us on our sailing trips. Jim Lou will always be fondly remembered as will Fred Mundy, for all the wrong reasons. Noddy Brennan was the schools sadist master who enjoyed cutting lads arses open with his famed misuse of the cane but he was the exception,

    All in all they were five years where I made friends I still keep in touch with.
    Great days that will never be forgotten.

    1. Hi John I remember you well I was a couple of years above you but knew all those teachers and the strokes pulled Kevin Selby

        1. Janice Brown josch

          Yes, my Aunt, Edie ran her veg stall for years. Originally her father’s Richard Hughes, my mother Doris, was one of Edies sisters. My grandmother was adorable lady, Edie’s and my mother’s mother. All the time they were alive I saw them at RavensCroft road. They also had a brother, Johnny who died young from tb. Did you know them well .. to me totally irreplaceable people, they had a really hard life, never complained .. salt if the earth Did you know my father, Charles brown who lived opposite

      1. I remember you Kev.if I remember you went to wok as a finger print specialist mate. They were great days mate,never to be forgotten. I still meet up with John Aldridge (Collins brother) and Pat Parret.
        We are all old geezers now Kev but I can still remember the school motto, “Age Ex Animo”. I think it meant have a great time and f*ck about to your hearts content.I may be wrong but I sure tried to live by it!

      2. Ahoy there ole fellow, Ive just stumbled across this site while practising the computer skills picked up while on holiday. I see you’ve been talking to johnnie Walpole a previous regular in the bakers arms stratford and that he has met up with stylo . I phoned stylo 3 years ago when he worked at canary wharf but he had moved on, any news? Do you remember when it was raining coming home from a hammers match and you took off your suede coat and carried it under your arm so it didn’t get wet? Did that happen or was I dreaming?
        The swarve one

    2. hi John I remember all of those teachers and you , im Jeff Smith and was in your class ,John Thurston has been my brother in law since 1976 , have recently met up with Tony Severyns stylo ,it was good to hear about all those old school days

      1. HiJeff!
        I remember you too mate! They were halcyon days Jeff. I’ve met up with Stylo as well, along with Pat Parret and Johnny Aldridge.
        I will always remember Bob Trew writing “Fred” in the snow on the dri play area and shouting out “Fred’s a wanker” when we were in Fred Mundys detention.
        Give my regards to John “Fred” Thurston when you see him mate.

        All the best,

        John Worpole

  36. Antony (Tony) Springate

    My Dad and Mum moved to Malmesbury Road, Canning Town from Kingston Road, Greengate when I was 1 around 1957. They moved to a new town after having their sixth kid around 1968 / 69. Before we moved there were 6 children and 2 adults living upstairs of one of the terraced houses on Malmesbury Road, no wonder we were told to play outside and get home by dark.
    I have started researching my family history and currently gone back as far as 1776. It seems my family have lived in East London all that time.; around Poplar, Stepney, Greengate and Canning Town.
    Here are some of my memories.
    Playing on and picking wild rhubarb on the waste ground adjacent to rail tracks.
    Tiring a rope around top of street lamps, converted from gas to electric, to make a swing.
    Playing ‘tin can alley’ in the road.
    Having cut out cardboard for my plimsoles when they had a hole in the sole.
    Playing on flat bed lorries parked up on debris in our road.
    Going to the lido during the summer.
    Using my school dinner money for pie and mash, oh that lovely green liquor too.
    Being caned across my hand at Star Lane school by Mr Dunlop and Mr Owen. I remember the Head being Mrs Hood.
    Stone frights with the Tiger Lilly gang from Percy Road.
    Going to Saturday morning pictures watching Flash Gordon and Lone Ranger; not that I heard anything with all the ruckus going on by the other kids.
    Player cricket with milk crates as wickets.
    The one eyed milkman.
    The corner sweet shop that sold sarsaparilla, my mums 20 Number 6 fags and my dads 1/2 oz of Old Holborn tobacco.
    Puppet show for my birthday by a local criminal gang member.
    Playing on swings in Hermit Road park.
    My dad working at Spillers French, Silvertown (I later also worked there for 5 years).
    I seem to remember David Essex (Cook) and Frank Lampard senior, both a few years older than me, firing a PP gun at me as I was wearing a very heavy coat.
    Frank Lampard senior came to Pretoria school to teach us football.
    Every 5th November the fire brigade always tried to put the bonfire out on the debris, it was a huge bonfire with loads of kids running around it so not surprised.
    I hope you enjoyed my little trip down memory lane for us 50’s / 60’s kids living down Malmesbury Road.
    All the best,

    1. Tony I remember all you wrote about , I lived in beckon rd from 1939 until 1957 then moved to malmesbury terrace, I worked at the B O C M silvertown for many years . Great times wish we could have those days back kids today don’t know what good times we had.

        1. Hi Pat I’m Charlie Doreen’s brother , sadly Doreen died some years ago. I remember you well and your sister Sylvia , we lived at 451 beckton road and my cousins Dolly, Joan Ivy and Alfie a few doors away, I live in Witham now ,. Really nice to hear from someone from Becton road , I could go on and on talking about the old days and all our old neighbours and what we got up too as kids, Love to you , charlie. I would love to hear from you again.

          1. My grandad was Richard tranter manager in tate and lyles my nan was violet tranter née maloney my other nan was Elizabeth Willis married to Charlie Willis children were Mary, who married Jack Murphy,, Terry who married Diane and Jack who married Joyce from canning Town my nan and grandad Mr and Mrs Richard tranter lived at bottom of roman Rd their house next door to butchers backed on to houses on Beckton rd

    2. Great times I was born in 1940 and lived in Addington Road us kids knew how to make our own enjoyment getting upto mischief most of the time and pinching fruit off stalls down Raffy, does anyone remember the fat red face copper who was always on the crossing in Barking Road and Rathbone he knew all as kids and he would give us a clip around the ear if we got upto anything and said il tell your father when i see him, but he never did.

    3. Hi Tony; My late Uncle Bill (Munson) had a shop in Barking in the 50’s. His sister was David Essex’s mother! I was born in 1954 and lived in Katherine Road, Forest Gate. Regards; David.

  37. My Dad Eddie London worked in Johnson Bros butchers in the Old Rathbone market, and I used work there every Saturday. outside was a stall that sold all types of pickles and pickled herrings the lady who ran it was called Elsie, next to her was Ranson’s fruit & veg stall.

    Next door to Johnsons was Wallis’s general store, on the other side was a Dry cleaners with the old steam press, there was also a clothing shop called Secunders (not sure of the correct spelling). I have just read a book called A East end farewell about Cribbs undertakers who where at the bottom of Rathbone st brought back many memories of the area. my Mum Molly (nee Barron) lived in Mayfield rd, when the old market was closed Johnsons moved to Hermit rd.


    2. Love reading all these comments, thanks for posting . .. does anone remember my Aunt Edie Hughes. .. she had a veg stall for years ato Rathbone. .. she loved it. She lived at Ravenscroft Road and in the area all her life. Now lives in Norfolk

      1. hi. i was adopted and have found out that my grand father was a thomas hughes do you no if he was from the same family.patsy.

        1. Janice Brown josch

          Yes, my Aunt, Edie ran her veg stall for years. Originally her father’s Richard Hughes, my mother Doris, was one of Edies sisters. My grandmother was adorable lady, Edie’s and my mother’s mother. All the time they were alive I saw them at RavensCroft road. They also had a brother, Johnny who died young from tb. Did you know them well .. to me totally irreplaceable people, they had a really hard life, never complained .. salt if the earth Did you know my father, Charles brown who lived opposite

        2. Janice Brown josch

          Hi, sorry, mis understood. A long long time ago I went with my Aunt Edie to see Uncle Tom .. remember it well because I was young and it all seemed scary. It was the only time i went to see him but ut was quite close to RavensCroft road. I have no idea if it is the same Tom, he was old and this would have been around 1960. All very vague and unfortunately no one left to ask.

          1. patricia lawrence

            i had my dna done and vera i dont no her other name came up as a second cousin to me. i think her nan ester was my grand dads sister.

          2. Janice Brown josch

            Yes, there was an Esther at my grandmother’s funeral, again so vague, I only met her that one time. But I remember asking how it was that I had never seen so many of the relatives that were there, before. The answer was they had little contact because they were in her father’s side of the family (Richard Hughes ) which could make sense. A long time ago 70s I would think Very sorry, no one left to ask

    3. We were registered with Johnsons after the war. I can remember the machine making sausages, fascinating! The Ransons were distant relations of my Mum. They had a yard over the other side of Raffy, near the Sasperella stall. In the early days of the war I was sick in the gutter for some reason and the sasperella lady gave me a glass of the stuff to settle my stomach. The Ranson family also had a stall at the top of Raffy, George & Vi, next to Della Mura Ice Cream stall.

      I went to school with Kate Thake, daughter of old Kate, the Matriarch who ran a shop and several stalls. Two stalls were situated towards the bottom of Raffy near Wise’s bakers (Best Hot Cross Buns in the world), I used to run errands for neighbours and often had to buy eels. The eels were in steel containers, all wriggling around. The lady would select some eels, cut off their heads and tails and chop them into pieces. It was gruesome but as I was deeply in love with the lady, despite my being about 12 and her wearing a blood stained apron. I have recently found out that she was married to a right East End hardpan so I do keep my eyes peeled!

  38. Hi, i lived in the old Percy road along by the nissan huts.I went to Star Lane then on to Eastlea. Does anyone remember this area? Just came across this site.

    1. Yes iwas born in 25 Clarence road 1940 went to Star lane Pretoria road then South west ham tech.Also worked in Feacy butchers Dale road and when young worked in bobs dairy.

      1. I lived at no 23 clarence rd left in1950 lafont member your name my surname was Howard I’ve got a brother Derek went to star lane did you know the Holbrooks who lived opposite nice family had a son fred

        1. Hallo maureen.i remember you as being a very attractive young lady..Fred was my elder brother sadly passed.My name is Helen I was 10 tyears younger than Fred..I remember you your brother. Derek and Mr&Mrs Lee who lived down stairs to you .and the Reids next door.Margaret was my school only answered your letter because of the nice things you had to say about my family.HelenCarter formally

  39. I’m from the SEATONS AND WEBBS…. Silvertown and Canningtown…. Circa 1900s…. They moved to Barking and Forestgate in 1920 till 1950….when my Mum married Dennis Collins in Sparsholt Lane. They emigrated to Australia in 1953.

    1. Graham Rutledge

      My mum’s sister Vera Jones married William Webb who was born in 1920 and lived in Lawrence Street.

  40. Graham Rutledge

    I have just opened up some old memories with the publishing of the 1939 register on Ancestry.
    My mum was Gladys Jones born 1924 older sister Vera and younger sister Iris (Bubs). They lived in Maud Street with my grandfather Edwin who was a sewage worker and staunch trade unionist. My maternal grand mother died in 1934 aged 33 when mum was 10. Mum used to talk of Rathbone Street market but I thought nothing of it when growing up, mum and dad died in 2005. Mum was bombed out and moved to New Road Chingford where she met dad at a dance in Walthamstow where dad lived and I was born 55 Glenthorne Road.Mum was bought up I believe by aunt Lena, but was never really talked about. I now have a large family tree on Ancestry but would love to hear from anybody who might have known the family and can fill in some gaps.My grandfather died relatively young at 63 with lung problems almost certainly from his days in the sewers.They are buried in Plaistow cemetery. Thanks Graham Rutledge

  41. My mother, who was born in 1924, lived at 140, Clarence Road with her parents Daisy and Ernest Bailey and her brothers. My mum went to Star Lane school.

    1. Hi Elaine
      Apparently my father (now deceased) named Lewis (Louis) Terry was fostered to an Aunt in Clarence Road, Canning Town in the 1920s, her name was Fanny Wells and she had a husband called Leonard who died during the 1920s, when my father, who would have been 10 years old in 1928, was eventually taken in by Barnardos. I have always wondered what became of Fanny Wells and her family. I am now in my 70s and have only recently begun researching my father’s background.
      I wondered if your mother may have known the Wells family.
      Just leaving this message on the off chance you may have some information!
      Many thanks.
      (Ann Terry)

    2. Hi Elaine, were there other Baileys in Canning Town before your family? I am trying to trace my husband’s ancestors, John and Rose Bailey, who lived there before WWI. They had three daughters (Rose, Nellie and Violet) and a son (William). John worked in coppersmithing. Any connections I can follow through? Thanks!

  42. My Dad was brought up in Brassey house (flats) Hie name was Kenny (kenneth ) Maroni he was good friends with Dennis smith, Anyone know them ?

  43. My name is Margot Farnham. My Nan was Dorothy Read and my granddad David Read. His family had a totters yard in Star Lane. Anyone know that family or my Nan’s family who were Adams?

  44. My Mum was born in ‘old canning town’ as she always referred to it. Millicent Hawkins was born in 1926 and lived in bidder street. when the houses were declared slums by the then King and demolished, she moved to Kildare Road. I was born in Plaistow, and have great memories of canning town market from the guy in the butchers who chanted what he was selling. the hot saveloys and peace pudding. the live eels in caters, and the horror of them having their heads chopped off ! but most of all my love of mirkoffs icecream.

    1. Mirkoff’s!!! I remember that tiny icecream shop. My mum used to take my sister and I there for a treat. The icecream was out of this world – by far the best I had tasted. The old street market (Rathbone Market, also known as Raffy) was a 10 minute walk down our road. I was born in Plaistow Hospital in the mid 60’s and lived in Malmesbury Road, Canning Town, until the houses (called slums) were demolished in 1976 and we moved to Plaistow. Caters supermarket – what memories! I can faintly remember the live eels. Also the laundry on the corner, opposite Caters, where we used to take our washing if it was too difficult to hand wash.

    2. Hi Karen. Whereabouts in Malmesbury? I was born in 1947 at no. 25, then around the age of eight we re-located to no. 80. I went to Star Lane Infant and Junior, then onto Pretoria (now known as Eastleigh). My family name is Burns, and Nichols, also Denwood in Clarence Road.

    3. It’s funny how people say Murkoff’s Ice cream was so great. In my list it came last and was only used if nowhere else was open. Old Murkoff was a miserable old so-and-so who only spoke to tell you how much you owed, never a please or thank you. But then again maybe it was me! Mitchell’s had the best ice cream and Caldori’s did the best lemon ice,,

      1. I worked for Murkoffs for a while after leaving school ( Shipman road )
        Mr Murkoff could hold a conversation. serve ice cream, and still check my adding up , and the till was similar to arkwrights , need all your fingers and the strength of popeye to open the damn thing
        saw the ingredients for the ice cream delivered though but not the recipe

  45. Hi all
    My family had two she’s and two factorys in the canning town area Coombs brothers sold sweets, jam and tea. There offices were in rathbone Street any information would be greatful.

    1. Coombs had a factory close to the bottom of Raffy. They used to open up a sort of window and as you walked past you had the gorgeous smell of strawberries or whatever wafting out. I understood that they were an off shoot of Clarnicos. Green & Siley Weir were nearby.

    2. Hi, tell me more about the Coombs in that area back then. My grandmother was a Coombs that married a Jackson. Thx

  46. My mother, Patricia Conlogue nee Florey grew up in Randolph Rd, E16. Her mother, Annie and father Sidney both worked at Tate & Lyles. My mother attended Shipman Road Secondary School in the 1950’s and I attended a primary school on Prince Regent’s Lane in the late 1960’s before we relocated to Thetford, Norfolk with Jeyes. I had a great friend called Donna O’Shea who I believe lived on/near Churchill Road.

    Does anyone have any post war pictures of this street or the area that has now been demolished?

    1. My husband’s cousin went out with a Rita Florey. My husband also knew this girl from Shipman Road. The cousin’s name was Philip Pigrem.

      1. My aunt is Rita Florey, who would be about 77 now; she moved to Australia about 10 years ago. I am trying to locate any photographs of the area, especially Randolph Road and the primary school on Prince Regent’s Lane that I attended in the late 1960’s.

        1. My husband is 77 so roughly the same age as your Aunt Rita. I would say we’re talking about the same Rita. My husband’s name is Ted Coppell and he’s just said that Rita was a lovely girl – he liked her. We came to Australia in 1974. What state does Rita live in?

          1. I believe she is in Western Australia – I don’t have any contact with her these days. My mum passed away a few months ago and I am annoyed with myself that I didn’t ask her more about ‘the good old days’ as she referred to them. I have found a photo of Shipman Road school on the internet – it looks quite forbidding. However, mum always said the school reminded her of the school in “To Sir With Love” with Sidney Poitier, minus the handsome Mr Poitier of course! I love that movie ; very nostalgic. Mum & Rita used to live at 92 Randolph Road and as a child I moved to no. 54. There were also some prefabs on both sides of the street. I remember going on errands to some shops at the top of Randolph Road and also to the summer reading club at the library. As a family we all ended up in Gorleston-on-sea in Norfolk (near Gt Yarmouth) which is where mum, Rita used to have holidays in the 50’s and 60’s

            Mum used to talk about someone called Rita Millett – does your husband remember her?

    2. Joann Emms nee Wheeler

      Hi ya Tracey. Donna O Shea died of an overdose some years ago now. I was her friend at Woodside School. I named my daughter after her. She was a wonderful person. I’ve been trying to find any photos of her.

      1. Greetings Joanne,

        I think I have an old school photo of Donna (aged about 6/7). Not sure how to get it to you though – but perhaps you meant you would like one of her as an adult. I see the name Wheeler in your post. My grans family were Wheeler’s (I think my gran was one of 11 children) who lived at 63 Randolph Rd. Any relation that you know of?

        1. Long delay in answering your question, Tracy. No my husband didn’t know Tracy Millett. Any luck tracing where your aunt lives/lived in WA. I have a sister living in WA.

        2. Hi Joanne, my family lived at 51 or 57 Randolph Rd, before the bombings. The Jacksons. Can you put me in contact with anyone or info. Thx

        3. Hi sorry to jump in my Partner is a Wheeler Barry George he married a Iris Watson don’t know if there’s any family links

    3. Have you read the book “The Sugar Girls about Tate sugar factory? Wonderful book and lots of mentions of Cannong Town, Plaistow. All where my family are from

    4. Ellee Taylor/Lacey

      Hey Tracey , my great grand father was George Henry Taylor , his wife was called Violet (nee smith) . He also worked in the Tate and Lyles sugar factory as a labourer , Just wondering if them names ring any bells , many thanks x

  47. Born, 1929. I lived at 29 Cave Rd Plaistow.One Sunday in July 1944 . We left the house at approx. 11am. Doodlebug hit it at approx. 12pm . Many neighbours killed and injured. We were lucky. Any one out there know anything about this. Was not evacuated I have lots more info.Live in Kent now.

  48. Did anyone contributing to this page go to or is/was familiar with Stratford Grammar School when it was in Stratford behind West Ham Recreation Park – around 1952-1955. The schoolwas relocated to a site close to The Spotted Dog after that time. If there is someone familiar with the school around that time do they also remember a teacher by the name of Mr. Fieldgate?

    1. Hi there,
      I went to both of the Stratford Grammar Schools – the first one next to West Ham Park was just around the corner from where we lived, on Shirley Rd. I remember there was a tuck shop on the corner. Lots of memories from there – thanks for bringing it all back.

  49. My grandfather was born in Canning Town (c1898) and lived in 34 (I think) Scott Street. His name was Albert Coulson, son of Joseph Coulson. I am starting to trace this part of my family if anyone can help/is related.

    1. Hi Robert
      I come from canning town and there are a few really good Facebook sites…canning town memories…start with this one and they will advise you on another one where they help you trace people from the area…I’m sure someone will be able to help you on there. ..good luck

  50. My mother, Hilda Clark, was born at 197 Barking Road, Canning Town to Tom & Sophia (Dolly) Clark. She had three older sisters, Edna, Mary and Mabel (but Mabel died in childhood, I believe) and a younger sister, Pamela. In 1937, the family moved to Barking. My mother died in March 2016, aged 92 and, had she lived another 3 months, would have celebrated the 70th anniversary of her wedding to my father Jack Cresswell – now 98, but not all that well.

  51. Hello, I have just came across this site, My maternal G Grandmother (Margaret Alldridge nee Andrews) was born in 1902 at 29 Clarence Rd, Canning Town (as were her sister Ethel 1903 & brother James 1908) by the time she married in 1919 she was living at 32 Clarence Rd. My grandmother was also born Canning Town, most of my maternal side came from Canning Town, Poplar, Bow, West Ham, at some point though they moved out to Southend & Romford.

    1. Ilived at 25 clarence rd born there 1940 and we moved to barking in 1956 went to star lane and south west ham tech

      1. Hi Alan.
        I remember you and your sister Margaret. She was my friend . Do you remember Albert the milkman who delivered the milk on his hand cart..we lived opposite no makes you relive the past with so many happy memories. I often wondered what happened to single name was Holdbrook.

  52. I was brought up in 42 Morgan st canning town until. I moved to 8 Lambert Rd custom house I’m wondering if any one remembers the name of the men’s Taylors shop in Rathbone st in 1964 where I got my wedding suit does any one remembers Bacon bills shop

    1. Reading all of this is very interesting , my Mum is still hale and hearty at 94 years young and still living in the Cotswold Village that she was evacuated to ,after they were Bombed out of their house in MALMSBURY ROAD ,CANNING TOWN . My DAD no longer with us ,lived in RANDOLPH ROAD ,CUSTOM HOUSE , he and his Family were also evacuated to the same Village , he was in the ROYAL NAVY and my Mum did welding on Lancaster Bombers . Funny enough , my Paternal Grandparents returned to Randolph road after the War and when my Grandad died in late sixties ,my Nan came back to the Village , My Maternal Grandma stayed in the Village for the rest of her life. I wonder if there are any people out there that would have known them or the Family ? I was trying to remember what my school my DAD went to , he first worked in the Paragon factory when he left school, my MUM went to Star Lane School which is still in use today, I know because my Nephew was a Teacher there a few years ago.

      1. My family Coombs and Jackson’s lived on Randolph Rd. Can you share any information about them. Also the Coombs sweet shop. Thx

    2. My husband also had his wedding suit made at this tailors, in 1969. The shop was called Pollock’s, I think the tailors were 2 brothers. It was THE PLACE to go for wedding suits, I remember my husband had several fittings before they were satisfied it was just right

      1. My husband worked for Lamson Paragon. He and many of his friends had their business suits made by Pollocks.. they were beautifully tailored.

        1. My father Phil Salmon also worked at Lamson Paragon in Canning Town through the 50’s to 1979. He worked in the Bookbinding Dept.

          1. My name is Chris Cowan and I worked for Lamson Paragon in Sales Training in the mid 70’s. I knew your father very well. I also remember Colin Rabey who I seem to recall was the manager of the Bindery Department.
            I remember your father as a very quietly spoken charming man who was exceptionally kind and helpful to me, as I had been tasked with training the new salesmen in PSB 5 Binding products.
            PSB stood for Paragon Self Binding and the 5 related to the number of punch holes used. It was a very clever and simple system that was widely used at the time. Happy days!

    3. i think it was called pollocks,it was orrigonaly on the barking road,if you got a suit out of pollocks in the sixtys you had made spelling will tell you that i was born in canning town.

      1. Bill Smyth. Ex Carson Road, Canning Town

        The Tailors shop in Rathbone New Market was called ‘Pollocks’. I had many a suit made there. Having saved my money from working for the Thake family who had both greengrocer stalls (Jim and Vilot) and another part of the family had fish stalls. Granditors was not in Rathbone market they were on the opposite side, on Barking Road near to the old Town Hall.

        1. Hi my father had his suits there he ent out with takes daughter for a while I think her name was Katie not sure his name was John or Jack Willis they came out of custom house

          1. ‘Old’ Kate Thake had a shop and stalls in Raffy selling fish. I was at school with a Kate Thake at Saint Margaret’s in Gainsborough Road. I was in love with one of Kate’s daughters in Raffy when I was about 12. She chopped up the eels near Wise’s bakers.

        2. Hello Bill, You would have to be Bill Smyth that went to Ravenscroft Primary and would have left in 1956, My name is Alan Howard and from memory we went through Ravenscroft in the same classes. Have lived in Tasmania, Australia since 1970

  53. My family came from custom houe went all the time to rathbone market my nan had a row of two ups at the bottom of rafy market lisa willis opposite pub cant remember name of pub mary and jackie murphy were her daughter and son in law we moved to essex when l was 8but every wknd was back there my. Parents were jack and joyce willis

    1. It’s a pity my Dad is not around today he would have loved remembering all those names from the past. I still have the scales he used to sell and check and I use them all the time. I am sure no one will want them when I am gone. It is still great that someone remembers those times.

        1. Yes the pub opposite caters supermarket ,before the supermarket I lived in the round top Nisson huts ,I was Born in Howard’s road plaistow 1948 I lived in Lawrence street ,my NAN lived in Mary street I went to clarkson street school, st Luke’s ,star lane ,Ashburton school .

          1. Hi Mackenzie,Im Bob Sexton and I lived in Lawrence St from 1946 until1964 when I got married and moved to Custom House,it would be nice to hear from you,regards Bob.

    2. I think Jack might have been my nan’s cousin. Her name was Lou Grim (nee Willis) her mum and dad were James and Rebecca Willis.

    3. Bambi Gee, Spent the first twenty one years of my life in Canning Town and I think the pub at the bottom of rathbone street was called The White House.

          1. The White House was really The Hallsville Tavern. It was a triangular pub facing up Raffy.

            I hated passing Cribbs with all the coffins, empty I suppose, standing in the window.

          2. Yes cribbs was across the road, I lived opposite The White House for 25 years on Shirley Street til 2005, I never see coffins in the windows… Still give me the creeps… My Family Name is Bruns we all lived in Canning Town.

    4. My nan lived in canning Town liza Willis had Mary who married Jack Murphy Terry who married Diane Jack who married Joyce bought three two up two down in canning Town op. Pub, can’t remember name she was along by cafe and tailors on the corner best suits ever,, you could cross the Rd from hers and walk down side of pub to raffy.. dick and violet tranter house backed on to Beckton Rd he was manager in tate she worked parti me in the dairy Eastham they had doreen, violet Jean Joyce there Rd,, roman Rd, best grandparents ever

  54. Mary Andrews nee Arnold

    I was born in 1938 at St.Mary’s Hospital but my Father had a scalemaker & hardware shop at 121 Rathbone Street, Canning Town. His father started the business in 1866 but of course with war my Father was bombed out and moved to Essex. I don’t suppose there are any survivors from that era but it would be interesting to find out.

    1. I was born in 5 Ford Street (off Rathbone market) in 1930 and have been trying to find out the name of the shop my grandmother (Emma Garner) had close by. It was a General store (not very big) and I have found picture of my old school (St.lukes) along with the church where I attended, I was evacuated but my parents were bombed out and moved to Rainham village in Essex. Wish I had been more interested in research when my parents were alive to tell me. Now I hanker to be able to tell my grandchildren a more detailed history. I loved Rathbone Street at Xmas. the stalls carried lit lamps on corners of stalls, smell of roasting chestnuts and the butchers selling of the turkeys outside the shops, the boxes of tangerines wrapped in their orange papers all added to the thrill.

        1. John Moore had two shops. One was mainly a paper shop, the other sold fags and sweets. John Moore would have all his regular customers’ orders ready each morning, a paper, fags or tobacco and Rizlas so they didn’t waste time on their way to work. I think it was his mother who ran the other shop, she was a real tarter, told me off once for asking for some fags for a neighbour of mine, Carrie Huckfield, saying I was suggesting she was favouring certain people at a time of shortage and told people I had been rude to her. Never went there again.

          There was another tobacconist further along, opposite a wood yard that went up in flames once. The lady there was as sweet as a nut!

          1. Moores was our local shop and often used to buy swwets and jubleys there plust take lemonade botlles back for the deposit money, I lived just a few yards away at Cribbs end of Rathbone Street opposit the Co Op store and dairy before they ere demolished.

      1. My grandfathers family had a sweet factory and sweet shop in Rathbone street Coombs Brothers l think it was number 37 also a factory in Shirley street do you remember it ?

        1. Hi Katie, I have responded to several posts. Could you tell me more about the Coombs brothers. My grandmother was a Coombs from that area. Thx

      2. Lisa Davies (Bruns)

        Hi Julie,

        I just see your post and thought how strange it is that you live in the house that my best friend Emma Cook lived with her mum,Dad,brother, and sister. I lived 5 Shirley street from 1984 til 2005. I think they moved in 1973 til 1999.

        It’s weird that you lived there but in a different era. All the childhood memories of that house.. Sorry I it’s totally not relevant but I just wanted to share that. We are still best friends now nearly 40 years later.

        Best wishes

  55. Mary Andrews nee Arnold

    I was born in 1938 in St.Mary’s Hospital, but my Father had his Scalemaker and hardware shop in 121 Rathbone Street, Canning Town which had been started by his Father in 1866 Samuel Ashmore Arnold. My Father’s job was to check all the Stallholders scales to make sure they were accurate. He was of course bombed out and we had to move to Essex. We did in my youth visit the market to catch up with people, one of them Mrs Olley. I think her shop was jellied eels but it may have been pies. I still have the scales he made so long ago. I don’t suppose there are many of the old timers from there left now but just maybe there might be some survivors.

    1. Janice brown josch

      I have already commented elsewhere on this site, my dear Auntil, Edith Hughes, had a vegetable stall on the Rathbone market, originally her Father’s, R Hughes, he was trading during wartime and my Aunt, came back to Canning Town in the war as her evacuation place wasn’t nice. She is a great character, lived in Canning Town all her life. . She is now 91 and still full of life and love
      If anyone knows her please let me know

      1. Your Aunt lived next door to my family in Ravenscroft Road we were number 83.
        As a child I went into their house when my grandmother died. Mrs Hughes looked after me. Edie was working on the stall in the market. They were the only family to have a lorry outside their house

        1. Janice Brown josch

          Hi Lesley .. thanks for this so happy to read your comments. My aunt now lives in Norfolk but will never forget her roots. My grandmother, Mrs Hughes had a really hard life, was a very dear old lady, when I was young I stayed with her a lot. My other grandmother Mrs Thorp lived opposite at number 72, maybe you knew her too .. Didn’t get on well with her
          Thank you again for replying, do you still live in London? I don’t but love the East End .. will never stop going back

      2. Hi I’ve just been reading about your family the Hughes . I also believe I come from the Hughes family from Canning Town. My mum was adopted as a small baby her mothers name was Phylis Copping her mother’s name was Clara Nellie Copping and father was
        Thomas Hughes apparently he was a bandsman I wonder if anyone remembers either one of them Tania

    2. Hi Mary. Lovely to read your comment. I remember my Mum going in to the pie and eel shop. Like all Londoners she loved her pie and mash and jellied eels !

      1. I’m afraid I am the rogue East Londoner who hates Jellied Eels. I was once “in love” with the lady who used to chop up the eels at Kate Thake’s stall near Wise’s. I was about 13 and used to go there to get eels for a neighbour. I hated seeing the poor things wriggling about and then being chopped up into pieces still wriggling. But the sight of that wonderful lady smiling at me with the blood dripping off her overall sent me wild. I told Terry Murphy about this once and he told me she was the mother of a boxer. Happy, simple days.

    3. I lived at the bottom of Rathbone Street from 1957 till 1973 and remember Olleys sold Pie n Mash, Thakes on the market sold fish and live elels and I woked for Frank Wise on his stall until 1963 when the new market opened.

      1. Janice Brown Josch

        Hi, Tony Kemp, just wonder if you knew my Aunt, Edie Hughes or any of the Hughes family who ran a fruit and veg stall for many many years at Rathbone market. . Would be so happy to have everyone any information

      2. I remember Olleys. So good to hear that name totally forgot about that.
        Raffy is in my blood. Went there every week. Ended up working as a Saturday girl there. Its where i met my husband. We have been together 42 years.

      3. On Good Fridays Wise’s was the only place open at the bottom end of Taffy. We used to get our Hot X Buns there. Everyone who mentions Hot X Buns in my hearing are told that they were the best in the world, so much so that my kids remind me of this fact every Easter.

  56. Barbara willson-Graham

    My Family are from Canning Town and Custom House any still do. my nan still lives there and is 95. My Granddad past way this year he was born in 1920. They had some great stories about the area. I live close by and it is changing so much, not always for the best I fear, it great to hear the memories of people.

  57. Hi, my dear Aunt, still alive and well at 91 years, had a fruit and veg stall at one point quite near to Caters, the supermarket when it was there. That was when I used to go there. But the stall was her Father’s. . R Hughes, and was trading through the war. My aunt Edie Hughes took it over and worked there until she retired. Does anyone remember her? Or Johnny, the guy who helped her. Would love to hear any stories from anyone that does .. she is really rather special, stayed in Canning Town all through the war and she is a very important person to me. Thanks to anyone reading this. Janice .. I am in the book about the Market, when the Ships come in .. as a toddler

    1. Barbara willson-Graham

      Hello I know aunt Edie I used to help her on the stall when I was young. on hr days off she used to take me and by brothers and sisters to the beach in her estate car. She is a lovely lady. I used to shovel the snow from her path in the winter. I hope she is well. Edie is my Nan’s cousin I think.

      1. Janice Brown josch

        Thank you so much for this .. so sorry have not been to this site for ages
        What is the name of your Nans cousin, if it is ok to share it
        Yes, she used to love taking her Mother to the seaside and loved children so she would have been so happy to take you out in her car
        She had a really hard life but considered herself lucky and was content with nothing
        I am writing in the past tense, she is still alive and well but whisked away a few years ago from her home, friends and livelihood to a care home in Norfolk by my posh sister who hardly knows her
        My Aunt still considers it is temporary and still talks of returning to her friends and going to the local place in London she signed herself up for
        Lovely lady .. thanks so much for writing

    2. hi . i was adopted but have found out my grand father was a thomas hughes. is he from the same family his dad was a r hughes.patsy

  58. My dad reckoned world war 2 was the best thing that ever happened to him and mum.

    She was from Poplar, he was from Hermit Rd, Canning Town. George and anne Kerry. My brother was born in 38 and my dad was in a reserved occupation when war broke out. They were bombed out on 1940 and Mum Gran and bro jumped on a lorry that was leaving the area. The driver picked his way thro’ London and made his way to the only place he knew outside London. The village of Bentley in Hampshire where he had been a hop picker before the war.

    Mum and bro were allocated a room in a farm house the day after they arrived having spent the 1st night in a hopping hut. Gran went back to Canning town cos granddad was working on the rail system in the V and A docks. They got bombed our again but still stayed. Dad was finally allowed to join up and spent 4 yrs in the RAF in Nigeria and Belgian Congo a real cushy number comparatively speaking but his younger brother Stan was sank by the Yanks while a Jap POW after Singapore defeat.

    Mum and 2 year old bro stayed on the farm for the rest of the war and were joined by dad after demob in 46. They all stayed on the farm for several more years finally settling in a new council house in the village where they had 3 more kids, me included. Gran and Granddad stayed in Canning Town, finally ending up in a 2 room flat in a terrace house in Star Lane, no bathroom, outside toilet, landlord constantly wanting them out. They deserved more! Granddad died in 66, gran in 79. We lived the life of Riley in our wonderful village in Hampshire….huge garden plus allotment…played in the woods and barns, swam in the river Wey. But my parents where always Londoners…

    I spent my life worshipping a certain team in Green St and travelled regularly to see grandparents, aunts, uncles…..and Bobby Moore. Haven’t been back in 30 years and google earth street scene shows the changes, but my, wouldn’t the folks who have passed be so proud of the East End Olympics.

    1. So sorry about terrible spelling and punctuation.
      Had been working all day and I find that, at 67 things get sloppy, especially when using a phone rather than a keyboard

    2. Hello Patrick, thank you so much for your story. I used to drive through the village of Bentley most mornings as I returned home from Heathrow Airport to Whitehill in Hampshire, where I lived for 4 years around 2001.
      I’m now living in mid Devon and haven’t been back to East London for a couple of years now, but yes…how it’s changed so much.

      I know the area very well around Fleet, Farnham, Petersfield etc.

      1. This is Diane Willis. I live in Brisbane Australia, with my family.I knew your mum and dad well.Me and my husband Terry lived with Charlie and Lizzy Willis opposite the Beckton Arms Pub. I think you are one of Jack and Joyce Willis children.So good to see a post from the old country, and relatives. I miss the pie and mash we used to have, in London. Take care keep well.

  59. Hi Malcolm. I was born in 98 Hayday Road, Canning Town in 1946 . I remember riding my tricycle around the block, past the bomb site that me and my brother used to play on, also past a shop I knew as Forinos, they also sold the most delicious ice cream, with pieces of lemon ice in it. Also on one corner was what we knew as Lennie’s oil shop where presumably we bought the paraffin. I had an aunt in Kildare Road and another in Tinto Road. Opposite our house on the other side of a the road was a paper shop where we bought a bottle of Tizer every Sunday to have with our dinner ! I also used to love going to Rathbone Street where my Aunt always bought me a warm sarsparilla and my mother always bought our clothes, all second hand of course. I started school at Denmark Street School but wasn’t there for long as we moved to Devon in 1952. Wonderful memories.

    1. We moved to Edward Street in Canning Town in 1961/2 when I was 5 years old. I remember Mr Forino’s shop, right on the corner. I remember the ice cream and the lemon ice. You could have a mixed cornet! I went to Keir Hardie School and in the summer, if I was good, Mum would buy me an ice cream on the way home. I walked to school with Mum and crossed what is now the A13.
      My Mum is 95 and still lives in Canning Town. I moved to Kent over 30 years ago but go back to visit Mum every week. There have been so many changes, Canning Town is almost unrecognisable. Rathbone Street market has gone and the area is being gentrified. Sad really. All that East End character gone.

      1. I looked up my Dad’s address on google and found it is now a crossroad. 121 Rathbone Street and I still have the business card showing the business started in 1866. I also have a photo of him with a stall outside his shop selling all the hardware. I may well scan it and put it on here just to add to the history.

      2. I remember a small shop on the corner of Coolfin Rd and Butchers Road that we used to call ‘Greeny’s’. This was in the 50’s is this the shop that you knew as Forinos? Also several people have mentioned Keir Hardie school. I’m certain that there was no such school in the 50’s. Does anyone know when the school was built or is it an old school renamed?

        1. Hi vicki
          I used to live in fords park road and I went to Keir hardie infants I was born 1951 so from about 1956 to 1958

          1. Hi Pat
            Forinos was on the corner of fisher street the other side of canning town, just behind Trinity school just off barking rd. 100 yds from what was the Trossex pub. Keir hardie was there in the 50’s and still is, although its a brand new building.

          2. Charlie Sage ,I remember when I was at Holborn Rd school , later Renamed Faraday , at dinner time running across the the Kier Hardie estate when it was just a bomb site to have pie mash in Rathbone street market , I think it was called Olly’s.. I lived at 451 Beckton Road.

          3. I was born in Plaistow and lived on Fisher Street from 68-70. Forino would see my folks taking me past, break off the bottom of cone and give me a ‘baby’ ice cream.

            I went back this weekend -I knew that the house we lived in was gone – it looks like the higher numbered end of the street has gone and been replaced with the park – any ideas about when this happened?

        2. Patrick Blake-Kerry

          Having had Keir Hardy as it’s one time MP, predating the Labour Party, ensured that my dad considered himself as a rock solid labour man, even after the war when we lived in Bentley in Hampshire. What he didn’t realise that his views were actually very conservative, he just couldn’t stand the Conservatives, that’s all. Bentley probably didn’t have a Labour voter until he joined my Mum and Brother after demob in 46. Mum and Bro bombed out in 40 and evacuated. Nothing to go back to. So I didn’t end up playing on bombsights… more like swimming in the river and scrumping… possibly a bit Tom Sawyer. It has to be said that when our relatives came down to see us yokels, they didn’t seem to be very secure in the countryside, especially walking across fields with cows in! My uncle went fishing with me in brown suede shoes and ran away from some young bullocks in the field. Needless to say, the notoriously ( well to us yokels anyway) nosey bullocks ran after him. He ended up almost up to his knees in a bog, suede shoes n’all. Probably didn’t stop shaking till he got back to Star Lane….

      3. We moved to Edward street in 60/61 I was born in 49 and we lived with my nan in Chadwin road, I went to tollgate school.When my brother came along in 59 it moved us up the list, hence the new house in Edward street.I remember forinos from my time at south west ham tech, used to spend our dinner money on single ciggies, yeah great memories

        1. Stumbled across this site whilst researching family history. Barry Ives. I remember you. I’m Nigel Rogers. Lived in the short bit of road that was Denmark St. between the Becton Rd and Chadwin Rd. Two cafes on opposite corners on Becton Rd.. Mays was one. Then the cafe in Chadwin Rd. Cosy Cafe ( still there in 2019) Went to Tollgate Primary with you and have school photo of us all. Think headmaster in juniors was Harry Wepfer (spelling?) Our teacher was Mrs Markham. Then South West Ham Tech from 61 – 68. From 65 – 68 worked in John Walton’s
          Menswear along Barking Rd. Tiny little shop. Squeezed in between the Red House pub and Turpins, a carpet and furniture shop, all opposite Fairburn Hall boys club. Canning Town was our playground. From the “two Tits” on Becton dumps, the Lido, the Bombed Odeon in Alexandria st. and the paddle wheeled Woolwich ferry. SWHTech- best school ever. Better than any trade school…. Then there was The Bridgehouse pub and the groups etc.

          1. One of my cousins was a Bevin Boy in the mines in Geordieland. He married a Geordie and she came down to London with him after the war. She had, what to us was, a funny accent. She kept saying For, meaning our, but we thought she was talking about the War. She got a job in one of the cafe’s in Beckton Road and was very popular with the Northern drivers because she spoke their language! My school, Saint Bonaventure’s, used the Old Beckton Road playing fields for sports so once a week I parked my bike outside the cafe and popped in to see her. She would give me a cup of tea and a large bun filled with that shaving cream stuff we called cream in those days. Simple pleasures!

          2. Hello Nigel, yes I remember you from tollgate and SWHT, I don’t want to be my age but I think we lived in the best era. All the best.

          3. Hi Nigel, so your in Benfleet, not sure how you leave private info on here, would be great to get in touch

          1. Thats me Dave how you doing? in contact with anybody? Spoke to Brian a few years ago and I see Dave Garvey over the driving range sometimes. Still in Benfleet

          2. Dave Creamer….. Remember you in SWHTech….. How you doing? And Barry, I too live in Benfleet, near the station. Can you do a private message on this site?

          3. Barry Ives. From Nigel Rogers. If you read this, have a temporary email address you can contact me on.
            Leave your contact details and we can arrange meet in The Hoy or Anchor

    2. Hi, my Nan lived in Hayday Rd. I was born in 1961, and I remember the shop opposite you. Like others I remember the live eels in the supermarket at ‘Raffy market’ as my mum called it. My mum and dad met at the Paragon and married at St Cedds church. I remember being taken to the Lido on warm days. Im trying to remember the name of the grocers shop on the main road leading down to Woolworths that sold loose macaroni and other stuff out of large tubs – was it Maceys or something?

      1. Does anyone remember the newsagent on the corner of Hayday and Ling Roads? I first remember it as Harry’s but Harry died in the early 1960s and it became Reg’s.

        1. I remember it well . My Nan used to take me there and buy 2 comics Film Fun and Radio Fun, and put some money on a card for the Annuals at Christmas.I lived in Kildare Road, and I used to go to the greengrocers opposite Harry’s newsagent shop. The greengrocers was Sall’s ,I believe I called her aunt Sall as she new my Mum quite well. No problem with plastic bags , you took your own bag and everything went in- potatoes, fruit etc. Happy Days.

          1. It is so interesting to see a reference to Reg’s as I remember that name from when I was a child. I remember riding my bike from our flat on Cambus Road to Reg’s to buy chocolate. This would have been before 1974. Would Reg’s have been there then?

      2. Hi I think you might mean Mulcasters, the shop was about halfway between Woolworths and Staddons the department store. Mr Mulcaster always used to give me a free biscuit when Mum and I went there. I went to the Convent school in Falcon Rd, we lived in Mary St. I remember William Devine, Billy Galenis whose Dad managed the library and Violet Munro who was my best friend.

    3. I went to school (Saint Bonavenyure’s) with Laurie Forino. He won the English Schoolboy’s Boxing Championship a year after losing in the Final. When he lost he was given a watch by Field Marshal Montgomery for putting up a very brave performance.

    4. I used to buy Lemon ice at Forinos and i have never forgotten the taste. I remember when it caught on fire and they gave my dad slightly burnt Honey comb. I lived in Chandler Avenue no 19. My name was then Avril Sheldrake. I went to Ravenscrift Primary and later South West Ham Tech. I came to Perth Australia in 1962. Do you remember the bonfires on tbe debris on the corner of Chandler Avenue

      1. Hi Avril , I was also born in 1946 and lived in Kildare Road off of Hayday Road . I went to Ravenscroft Infants and junior schools , and don’t remember you . I also went to South West Ham Tech. Boys School, and left in 1962 the same year that you left for Australia . Did you have a different first name then ?

  60. Hi Roger

    It sounds like the same Esther. I used to work with her at The Scotch House on Regent St. That was nearly 17 years ago.

  61. Hi Malcolm
    You mentioned that your grandmother cleaned a Jewish lady’s house in Gant’s Hill…was her name Esther?

    1. I once drove Esther back to her home in Gants Hill, from an Anti-Nazi rally where she had been speaking. She invited me into her home where I met her husband. She showed me many of his paintings. Each one pictured a Polish village. As we looked at each, he sadly shook his head and said, ‘No more, no more, all gone’. He was a lovely man.

  62. Billy Adams, Jr.

    MY Grandfather, Billy Adams, was a Lightweight Champion from Canning Town, London. Became the Lightweight Champ of West Virginia (USA) and got Jack Dempsey to give his gloves to his son (my Dad). Billy Adams sparred at “sporting shows,’ most advertised was the world heavyweight champ “Battling Hooker’. He had to for the money; Professional or “Prize Fighting” was illegal. Would send pics but website does not allow.

    1. Hi Billy. I have just seen the posting you made in 2017 – better late than never!!

      My late Gran, Liz Porter (nee Adams) was the sister of Walter Adams, a very decent boxer, who emigrated to the USA from East London. Could he be related to Billy Adams? Your story seems very familiar to me.

      Liz was married to Ted Porter and they lived first of all in Dale Road and then Desford Road, Canning Town. They had four sons (Ted, Fred, Dave and George) and a daughter, Kathleen (Kit) who has outlived all her brothers and will be 99 on April 19, 2019 – she is my mother.

      I remember “Uncle Walt” and other members of the Adams family visiting the UK in the late 1950s and getting together with “the Porters”

      During the 1960s I had a pen friend Mimi Gelinas who lived in Jacksonville Beach, Florida – I believe her mother’s single name was Adams. In the late 1970s my uncle David Porter, met Rose (Adams?) on a visit to West Virginia. They married and she moved to London but very sadly she died in 1978.

      I also grew up in Desford Road, close to my grandparents and three of my four uncles and their families! I am now retired and live in Nottingham.

      Does any of this mean anything to you?

      Best Wishes

      David Timcke (but often known as David Porter when I lived in Canning Town!!)

      1. David Timcke (Porter)

        Hi again Billy I now have the history straight, thanks to my mother! We are talking about the same person – George Walter “Billy” Adams. Your grandfather was my great Uncle! I knew his wife as Aunt Brooke! Small world!

  63. Anyone remember Feacey butchers Dale road bobs grocers corner avondale /percey road and wrens sweet shop in clarence road

    1. HI, I was born in 1949 , at No 4 Clarence Road. I have very strong memories of Wrens sweet shop. Do you remember the fizzy sherbert drinks that he made from a big red bubble machine, served in a jam jar for 1 penny?

      1. Hi Robert, I see you lived at no.4 Clarence Road, and I see Clarence Road has been mentioned quite a lot, so I don’t know if anyone remembers a family called Lock who lived right on the corner, it came under Clarence Road, but the rest of the houses was just as you turned the corner? I will ask my sister in law Jackie who lived at Clarence Road,with her sister Doris (called Babs) George and Chris Lock (the boy I married!) the mum was Doris Lock and hubby George Alfred Lock. Sadly Babs (Doris) passed away a few weeks ago, so a funeral to attend to this week, and I lost my gorg. hubby Chris which now only leaves Jackie.

        I bet she would remember if there was a sweet shop there, and it has surprised me that everyone talking about Rathbone Street Market? That no one has mentioned the bingo that they used to play in the market with milk tops? I used to win lots of prizes off there, and yes I sure do remember the sarsaparilla in barrels I loved it! There was a mention of the name Adams? I lived in Steele Road West Ham and there was a family of Adams who lived at no.50? And the name Coulson?

        There was a family who lived right opposite us called Caulson, the lady was called Rose and worked at a sweet factory? I wonder if this is the factory that was mentioned? This lovely lady used to give my mum two whacking big tins of sweets, one was boiled sweets and the other was toffees, because my mum had 8 kids, and every xmas she made sure we got some sweets. I was shocked to see that this lovely lady was buried in a common grave in East London Cemetery right behind my Polish stepdads grave, and the Ordnance Arms pub was mentioned? I celebrated my 21st birthday in that pub and I remember my hubby buying me a gorgeous royal blue dress with streamers down the back, oh what lovely memories but also lots of sad ones too.

        So I don’t know if Robert or anyone who lived in Clarence Road remembers the Lock family? They was just off the corner, it might have been a shop on the corner? And then the door where my future hubby Chris lived, there were no more houses there just that one, cant remember the number but my sister in law would tell me, and then the rest of Clarence Road was just around the corner to the house the locks lived in whereby you went upstairs, oh it must have been a flat with a back yard lol. Yes, it is changing everywhere now, we didn’t have much then but we was far happier than kids are today! Rosina Lock via facebook

        1. RE: Steele Road, West Ham, E15.
          My nan (Agnes) lived here. I vividly remember, (if I came out of her house and looked right); I could see the 2 huge cooling towers of the West Ham power station. It was quite surreal. I think Steele Road, among others, was knocked down to make way for the new Manor Road.
          Does anybody remember the Gibson family in Steele Road? 1940-1970 approx.
          The children were James (Jimmy), Terence (Terry) and Valerie.
          I know Valerie attended Holbrook County Secondary School and her teacher was Mr. Moliver.
          Is anyone familiar with Harry Waite? Possibly lived in Steele Road with the Gibson family.

          My nan’s maiden name was Clark and she lived in Grange Road, near the East London Cemetery, (during the 1930’s approx.) before marrying George Gibson from Kelland Road, which is near the Abbey Arms.

      2. I remember Wrens sweet shop very well. He was always playing tricks on me when I was little. My mum took me in there one afternoon and I asked for a Crunchie bar. He handed it over and my mum put it in her bag until we got home. When I unwrapped it, it was a wooden block in a Crunchie wrapper. Cheeky devil had given me one of the bars they used in window displays. I went back and he was waiting for me. He was so amused he gave me TWO Crunchie bars for being such a good sport!

      1. ronald raymond hunt-terry nee ronald smith

        hello l;m sorry to say that dale road has gone l believe its now a park. l grew up in dale road from 1945 to 1954 no 121 when we moved to the next street clifton road no 77 next to the bombed church yard can any one remember my father riding around the street on his speedway bike in the early fiftys he was called ray terry and was known as the duke of canning town ,when l was a lad we used to walk to peggy leg bridge and stand there as the trains whent underneath l can smell that steam from the trains kind regards

        1. We were bombed out whilst living in Dale Road on the night Saint Margaret’s Church and school was hit. The church reopened in the early 1950s but the school was never rebuilt. It moved to temporary premises in Gainsborougb Road school until Saint Helen’s was built in Falcon Strre in the early 1950s.

    2. Helen Carter nee HOLDBROOK.

      Yes just like it was yesterday. What about Bill’s the greengrocers.and rennies sweet shop. who sold drinks in a jam jar .ant the man who came around with his roundabout on the back of his worked in Bob’s the grocers then you must remember Albert who delivered Mike in his hand cart..the rag and boan man.

  64. Kate Stilliard

    I was born in Canning Town in 1948, and lived in Chester Road. My mother’s family name was Cridland and my father’s was Speight. I remember Murcoff’s ice cream, particularity the lemon ice which was a type of sorbet, which was my favourite. I also remember the old Rathbone street market, particularity the stall that sold cordials including sarsaparilla, and buying roll mops out of a barrel for 3d each, I think. There was a lady there who used to grate horseradish to sell, her eyes permanently running. When the new Rathbone market was built I remember a fish stall run by Kathy Thake (I think) where my dad would buy live eels, and the wonder of a supermarket! Caters where the novelty was picking up a wire basket and helping yourself! My aunt ran Popkin’s fish shop down the Hermit Road – signed ‘Fish, wet dried and fried’, she was always good for a bag of crackling.

      1. My husband John Sidney Clark, went to Harold Street School. He was born in 1941.
        His family still live in the East End.
        This June We’re going on holiday to visit them.
        We’re staying on The Isle of Dogs.
        I’m an East End Tragic!!
        Love the history.
        I was born in Auckland, New Zealand and we now live in Perth, Western Australia.
        Lyn Clark

    1. I used to have a market stall at Christ Street Market, selling Christmas decorations. The nearby Pound Shop used to check my prices and undercut me. As a result I never made a profit. After giving up I became a teacher at Royal Docks Community School, Custom House. I am shortly publishing a novel set in wartime Canning Town.

    2. Murcoff’s! I loved the ice cream from that place and I’ve never found anything that tastes like it and believe me, I’ve tried!
      I remember having hot sarsaparilla.
      My Nan would only have fish from Thakes and if you bought it anywhere else, she knew! When she went to live with my cousin in Wiltshire and we visited, we had to buy bowls of jellied eels for her and take them with us!
      There was also a stall where the lady sold buttons. Hundreds of buttons! If you lost a button from a coat or jacket you could go to the stall and find one to match. My Mum knitted jumpers for my children and would buy novelty buttons from the stall. I can’t remember the lady’s name.

      1. Terri Caylor (nee Judge)

        I am currently writing my memoires and I have just documented that same thing. Murkoffs, Pie and Mash, sarsaparilla. Rathbone market was my go to place, it was the hub of the town. I lived in Varley Road until I married. I still miss the east end life.

    3. Hi Kate. Your family must be related to Jonny Sleight who wrote and created the infamous Alf Garnett. Believed he lived in Liverpool Rd.

  65. Just come across this site which I find very interesting. My mother was born in Charford Road in 1923 and her sister in Tree Road, Custom House in 1911. Their father and other family members worked at the Docks. The family home was bombed but everyone returned to Canning Town (Ling Road) to live, except my mum, who married and moved to Essex. It was my second home during the 1960s and early 1970s. I remember the trolleybuses and Murkoff’s ice cream! I also remember buying fish and chips from Billy Betts shop in New Barn Street but cannot find any reference to it anywhere. My mum’s aunt lived at No. 1 Beckton Road, which was demolished for the flyover to be built. Her son was Eddy Grimstead who ran the motorcycle business.

    1. hi i have just came across this site .Was her son named Gary who ran the motor cycle shop and car dealer ship in East Ham by the old hartley centre.

  66. Pat Jolly I know a Brian Jolly who now lives in Cornwall but whose famy are from Canning Town. Any relation? I am trying to find a connection between his family and mine and was interested to see your comment about Jolly’s Greengrocers. My Grandad Parker had a Greengrocers shop as did his parents. They were bombed out during the war and moved to Essex. My Gt Aunt bought a house in Goodmayes and we went to live with her. She was in the rag trade and did business with a lot of Jewish people. I use to do fashions shows at Bodgers as my babysitter worked there!

    1. Hi Dee
      I cannot say for definite if Brian Jolly is a branch of my family or not..My grandfather and great granfather didnt seem to keep closr ties with their siblings..So i know very little about them..My gt grandfsthrr came from Suffolk and he must have had siblings but they are all a mystery to me..So sorry cant help you..x

  67. Malcolm, I believe that the shop Vicki remembers was called Murkoff’s in the Barking Rd along where the Ordnance Pub was, the best Ice Cream I have ever tasted.
    I lived in Rogers Rd.

  68. Pat, the shop I remember did sell ice cream through a window at the front of the shop. Just mentioned this story to my husband and he says the shop is where you say but he doesn’t remember what it was called.He also thinks I may have got my memories mixed up and that Rossi’s ice cream was sold in Southend. Does anyone know?
    My husband’s aunt used to have a toy stall in the market. She had the stall for quite a few years.

        1. I used to visit an ice cream parlour as a child, on Cranbrook Road in Ilford. I would have laid money on that being a “Rossi’s” as well but apparently not. Seems we have both had an education on this topic!

          1. You are correct Malcolm, Rossi’s was definitely on Cranbrook Road right down at the Valentines Park end. Head office was in Southend, Francis Rossi from Status Quo is related to them.

          2. There also used to be a an ice cream parlour in the centre of Valentines Park, seem to remember eating lots from there as well. Simple pleasures in those days – now I can just go to Tesco and buy a tub.

  69. Born in Percy rd in1947, in a nissen hut.My nan lived in Rathbone st. when it was the market place, remember the live well stall, the fortune teller at the start of the road. Remember the street party for coronation day,won a model of a tractor for winning a race. Anyone got any photos.

    1. Peter, yes I do remember Rathbone St. market. I went to Clarkson St school that backed onto the market. Used to spend lunch time in the market. Bought a pennorth of broken biscuits out of my lunch money and Horlicks and/or Fishermans Friend tablets. I also remember the live eel stall (I think that’s what you meant) and the sarsparella stall. The fortune teller singled me out by name one lunchtime (didn’t know her from Adam). This was a couple weeks before the eleven plus, she told me not to worry – that I would pass and go to grammar school. She also told me I would go far overseas to live (I have been in Australia since 1974) and have a family of three children. All that came to pass so I’m now hoping that her prophecy of a long life also comes to fruition 😀.
      Do you also remember Rossi’s ice cream just round the corner from the market. Best ice cream ever.

          1. hi Vicki…if it was the sweet shop next to the Ordnance arms pub and directly across the road to Canning Town Public Hall then it would be Murkoffs..they used to sell the ice cream outta the front window. They were Jewish and nade their own ice cream..
            There is a FB site called Memories of Canning Town that people put photos on. Murkoffs crops up from time to time.. Or i have a couple of pics..if you wanna see em i can Message them to you..let me know..

          2. I remember ian the son who went to a private school when he came home on a school holidays he would call round my house to play I’m not Jewish but his family liked us playing together I lived in Lawrence street my NAN in Mary street my nans name Badcock and my cousins Linda ,Valerie,Terry

  70. Elizabeth Livingston

    I lived in Canning Town in flats called Mansfied Buildings in 1948-54. Are they still there. I now live in Australia. Left the UK in 1954 with my family.

    1. yes they were named Mansfield Buildings Right next to Star Lane School. People get them muddled with Manor Buildings which were round the corner on Manor Road My dad lived there from 1928 to 1938 My granddad new it was the wrong place to be as a war was coming. The buildings are no longer there but Star Lane school is. We took my 95 year old father back there few years back and walked over the bridge where the old railway was I think he called them inky pinky steps Don’t quote me. The boys used to stand on the top and try and throw stones down the steam engine funnels nice to have my dad around for the memories

      1. Yes I remember them, I had a friend that lived there. I went to Star Lane School infant and juniors. I was born in 25 Malmesbury Road 1947.

  71. My Grandmother was born in Malmesbury Road. I would love to know what housing looked like back in the 1890s as a huge proportion of her family lived in places like Swanscombe Street Woodstock Street. Wouldham Street and the list goes on. My Grandmother was of German descent, and her grandfather worked in sugar refining. Love to hear stories of this place.

    1. George olmit. I was born at 162 malmesbury road opposite the landlords office ,mr Jude.? a builders yard a general shop where you could purchase broken biscuitswas grand parents also lived in malmesbury road.Mc Williams and Olmits.
      Twelve cousins McWilliams lived in Percy road.Two vivid memories , walkingfrom north woolwich past pools of burning debris after a bad air raid in Silvertown in 1940to find that malmesbury road was deserted and all buildings were bomb damaged the residents haveing done a moonlight flit and later while waiting for a trolly bus to go to the ferry looking up and seeing the street sign Hermit toad for some 15 years I had understood it was called ERMIT road.

      1. Used to take mums rent there for our house in Clarence Rd. Also was it hoadlys scrap metal yard opp bomb site near clifton rdal

  72. Is this the same Jollys greengrocer that had a shop on Hermit road Canning Town opposite the sweet shop Tarrants? I also lost my uncle in the Ronan Point explosion as well would love to know more details about a memorial 4 people died if my memory servers me right?

    1. Denise Who was your uncle. I have been trying to get a permanent memorial since 2013. It is going to happen once regrneration of freenasons road is completed. we had a memorial service last year for 50th anniversary. You can contact ne on FB under the name Patricia A Jolly if you want further info

  73. Just a couple of facts to add to your article. The slum clearance in Canning Town/Custom House after WW2 resulted in the creation of what was known as the Keir Hardie Estate. The estate was named for James Keir Hardie, the first
    Labour MP and a member of the first Labour government, the Ramsey McDonald Labour government. He had previously been an independent and represented West Ham South in the early years of the 1900s.
    The ‘infamous’ towers you mentioned were Ronan Point, Patterson Point. There was a third but I’ve long forgotten the name. My sister-in-law lived in Patterson Point and it was Ronan Point that lost one corner of the top floors through an explosion. Local rumour had that someone was storing gelignite ‘under bed’ but the more prosaic reason for the explosion was probably a gas leak.
    The tower blocks were a cheap and nasty way of housing the less well off. From memory the grounds were not well looked after and the lifts always stank of urine. I was thankful that my family had been rehoused in a decent, attractive environment long before those monstrosities were built.

    1. I lived on the Kier Hardie Estate..from 1952…In Tarling Road near St Lukes church…I also know the Tower blocks you refer to, Merrit Point, Ronan Point Dodson Point Abrahams Point and several more. My sister lived in Merrit and I lived in Dodson…Ronan point was in fact a gas explosion it happened on the 15th floor…My dad’s cousin and his wife both died in the disaster…As a matter of fact i and a friend have been in contact for the last two years to have a memorial put in place for the victims…The area of Freemasons Road will be undergoing a large refurb to go along with the new Crossrail Line at Custom House Station…Newham Council have agreed to it…it is just a matter to decide where to place it…
      The Beckton area was reclaimed marshland..I also lived there from 1983 off Tollgate Road….Many properties today still suffer subsidence because of the ground..

      1. Pat, I’m sorry you lost family in that Ronan Point disaster. I had moved away from the area by then but most of my family still lived off Freemasons Road. My sister-in-law lived in Patterson Point at the time of the explosion and my husband’s aunt lived in the third tower block. I remember only those three being there, perhaps the others were built at a later date.
        I moved from there to Chingford then to Walthamstow and on to Brentwood and finally left the country for good in 1974.

  74. Hi Malcolm..I lived in Brunel Street off the Silvertown Way from 1946.. before moving to Tarling Road..My family name is Jolly, we were greengrocers and we had stalls down the old Rathbone Street, before taking over shosp in the early 50s. Our shop was just across the railway lines from the Victoria Dock…I have written a book about growing up in Canning Town…It’s called ‘A Jolly Time in Canning Town’ by me Patricia Jolly…..available on Amazon, Newham Bookshop and Waterstones…The heart has gone out of it now…but still i return often

    1. Hello, thank you for your comment. I was born early ’70s and East London still seemed to be just about hanging onto the “old ways”. I remember seeing the derelict dock cranes, the rag and bone man on a horse and cart. Everything going silent for Remembrance Sunday at 11am.

      The pace of change nowadays is so rapid that I struggle to recognise parts of Ilford where I grew up. The rat runs my grandfather would drive to take us all to Kings Cross to visit his mum etc.

      1. You lived in Ilford eh…In my younger days Ilford was ‘posh’…lot of money people there…A lot of Jewish people lived there…Jewish people loved a fur coat..My aunt had a mink fur coat and a mink fur jacket made over Ilford…Being as my family were in business they mixed with other business families and one of them was Jewish..The lady if that family took my aunt to the furriers and told him what my aunt wanted..Then she said the skins had to be female mink…My aunt didn’t argue..Apparently female mink is softer that male mink…My aunt is now 92.. She wanted me to have her fur coats..they woulda been too small for me, but i suggested that my cousin would like them…It was only recently that they were given to my cousin. I found the bill for the Full length coat dating back to 1967.. £3,000.. My aunt only wore it a few times..then left it in the wardrobe cos the animal rights people were throwing paint over people wearing fur coats in the 70s…I used to like shopping in Bodgers…they did nice stuff..

        1. My grandmother used to clean a house for a Jewish lady who lived in Gants Hill. I still remember the lady’s name to this day. My grandparents lived near Kings Cross station and moved to Ilford in the very early ’60s. Certainly was a step up from their tiny flat in a Victorian block in Tonbridge House.

        2. I was born in Plaistow, Beatrice Street backing on to Chargeable Lane, moved at the outbreak of war to Dale Road, bombed out in March 1941. My father worked for Standard Telegraph & Cables so we moved to Leicester when the firm was bombed. Returned in 1946 to a Nissan Hut in the shadow of Saint Luke’s in Tidal Basin. Raffy was my regular haunt. We were one of the first to move onto Kier Hardie Estate, Killip Close, before returning to Plaistow.

          I met my wife at Jenson & Nicholsons in Stratford. She was originally from Forest Gate but a V2 destroyed their house so they moved to Ilford. For an East End boy to go out with an Ilford girl was really going up market in those days. We’ve now been married for neigh on 58 years.

          We don’t go back to Ilford etc any more, I feel like a foreigner up there these days.

    2. Barbara Goodfellow

      Hi Pat, I don’t know if you will get this as your post is 3 years ago, but I would love to know more about Brunel Street, what it was like. My gt grandfather and family lived at 1 Brunel St in the 1870s.

  75. I heard in Barking St that there treasure they left..some of them are dimposed but this woman never tell to just landlord but they digged n breakfast the Brick ..there’s some left according to my knownfriend ..the woman keeps this not report to police or counselled bec of the woman can you the treasure find this tresure detected gusto treasure..

  76. My grandfather was born in Canning Town in December 1875, his name was Charlie Thomas Shaw as was his father and his mother was Annie Jack. My grandfather immigrated to Australia late 1800 early 1900s.My aim is to come over there when I retire and try and find a little more of his background, if there is anyone who know or connected to this family I would love to hear from you.

  77. Medina Bell (nee Hopewell)

    Hi my grandfather lined in bengeo st two streets away from Canary Wharf , their surname was Hopewell my grandmother was Mary Ann my grandfather was John Edward my dad was one of 12 him being th last born , I could not even imagine what life must have been like,

    1. Charlie Odenwalder

      My parents use to live in Bengeo Street. They may well have known each other. My Mother only passed away last year at the age of 98. Some of the stories she told were beyond belief

      1. my Grandfather ( Joseph Warren )was born at 24 bengeo st in 1879.
        My Great Grandfather was Jonathan Summers Warren, and his wife was Amelia.

        1. Charles Odenwalder

          Your the 1st person I have found who had a relative living in Bengeo St. One story which my Mother told me was about the bomb that hit Hallesville School. They were suppose to go to the school, but my father said no were not going there and instead went to an air raid shelter. hen I saw it on TV it brought it all to life.

          1. The “Blitz” TV program rang a bell, hence the post. By 1893 the Warren family had moved to 42 High St, North Woolwich.
            (Now Pier Rd, I believe) by 1916 my grandfather lived in Station St, where my father was born, until bombed out during blitz.

        2. Charles Odenwalder

          Alan Just been looking at the 1939 Register and found that My Dad and brother were living at 22 Bengeo st. I know between 1891 and 1911 I had family that also lived in Bengeo st

  78. I’m youngest of 10 kids I’m now coming up 58 my mother was one of 12 kids she was born 1919 her dad was in the boer and WW1 and was a warden in the 2nd growing up in Canning Town and custom house was the best time of me life we had sod all but we had family and true proper people.. Have to go a long way to find the kind of people that come from that place.. Times AV changed around that place now pubs where all the memories of the jolly ups have gone! The rows and rows of the old vic house where I once lived have gone but a trip down memory lane brings back all the old characters names faces and places.. My home my town Canning Town my kind of people x

    1. my name terry I was born in canning town I came from a family of five kids I was the youngest we move into house just as the war ended I was born in 56 and the area still look like a bomb site but I love it and still do even so I now live in norfolk

      1. Hi Terry, there can only be one Terry Hulme. We lived next door to each other, and your mums name was Hilda and mine was Mary. I have one sister Mary, I’m sure you will remember and 2 brothers younger than me. You have brothers Ron, Colin and sister Julie? if your the right person, my mum was your god mother when you and your siblings were all christened at the same time Glad you swopped East London for Devon. I moved to Kent 1976, but still have relatives in Canning Town. Although they were hard but great times growing up, and often wish they were still, as less complicated than today.

  79. Malcolm, I have just posted a comment on the site re the South Hallsville school disaster. I am puzzled as to why the area is referred to as Canning Town when our address in Murray Square was Custom House E16, in fact all of that area was Custom House down to the Lido on Becton Rd. When did Custom House lose its identity?

    1. Tim Roll-Pickering

      There isn’t a single agreed boundary between Canning Town and Custom Hose which creates a lot of confusion. The only official line in use appears to be current council wards which put Murray Square *just* in Canning Town South – the boundary with Custom House ward starts at the bottom of Freemasons Road, heads up, turns left along Coolfin Road, right up Mandela Road, left along Hooper Road then right up Butchers Road all the way to the A13 (which took over Beckton Road).

  80. My Mother’s family came from Canning Town. My Gt Grandfather was a Dockworker. All 7 children were born in the early 1900’s and I know life was hard for them. They lived in Beckton Road and went to Holborn Road School. It affected them in different ways; some had no children and lived indulgent lives and the others had many children and lived frugally.
    I am amazed they all came through both World Wars unscathed. My Mother was born in 1939 in West Ham but after WW2 most of my family moved away from the area to places like Essex.
    My Grandparents and all my Gt Aunts and Uncles have now passed on and I regret not finding out more whilst they were still alive; I now rely on sites like these to help me paint a picture of what life must have been like for my East End relatives.

    1. I grew up in Ilford as you may have read, so know those areas very well. My parents are post war babies but my grandparents had plenty of stories to tell. Likewise we as a family migrated to Essex before then moving all over the UK. I’m in Devon now.

      1. Malcolm, I was born in Forest Gate, as a baby lived in Oakdale Road, evacuated to Somerset, back to Forest Gate then were rehoused to Murray Square, Custom House. I’m still puzzled as to why that area is referred to as Canning Town. In the early 70s I moved to Brentwood and from there to Australia. My husband and I now live in Victoria but we’re spending Christmas with our daughter and her family in Darwin. It is hot,muggy and very wet right now. Happy Christmas to you and all your blog friends.😊😊😊

        1. Mary Andrews nee Arnold

          I was born in 1938 at St Mary’s Hospital but my father business was a Scalemaker and hardware shop at 121 Rathbone Street market where he had to check all the stallholders scales to make sure they were accurate. He was bombed out and we had to move to Essex and I wonder if there are any survivors of that old market. His shop was started in 1866 by his Father Samuel Ashmore Arnold.

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